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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#254651: Sep 13th 2018 at 7:34:07 AM

[up][up][up] It’s not likely at all, and that kind of alarmism is unhelpful in the extreme. Seriously, we need to cut that out here.

Relating to his popularity among the military, Obama was notably unpopular so I think almost any president would see similar numbers in his first year. Just from informal polling those attitudes have very much been souring as time goes on, he’s not nearly as popular now and even less popular among leadership.

Edited by archonspeaks on Sep 13th 2018 at 7:37:52 AM

They should have sent a poet.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#254652: Sep 13th 2018 at 7:50:48 AM

Seriously, some grunts liking you does not make a coup. Without leadership and organization any potential coup faction (god this is dumb) would be shut down by the actually organized and led loyalists.

This kind of alarmism simply isn't factual or productive, I see no rational reason to believe that a coup is particularly plausible and I for one can absolutely comprehend Trump's ilk.

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#254653: Sep 13th 2018 at 7:55:42 AM

[up] I’m guessing that people who think a coup is possible don’t know that much about the military. It’s such an unbelievably distant possibility in the US that it isn’t even worth thinking about, much less mentioning.

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#254654: Sep 13th 2018 at 7:58:40 AM

So the leader of the free world is now a full-blown conpiracy theorist, despite the fact he himself was behind many of those deaths (worse than Katrina). I guess the next in natural progression for republicans really is Alex Jones.

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#254655: Sep 13th 2018 at 8:07:55 AM

[up]Gods above, don't even joke about that!

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#254656: Sep 13th 2018 at 8:15:46 AM

I’m guessing that people who think a coup is possible don’t know that much about the military. It’s such an unbelievably distant possibility in the US that it isn’t even worth thinking about, much less mentioning.

Yeah exactly my thoughts, it's just not going to happen and stoking such fears just doesn't have any productive use.

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#254658: Sep 13th 2018 at 8:47:24 AM

... anybody think Florence or her* successors might have a Katrina-like effect on Trump?

  • Are hurricanes referred to as her/him or it?

Edited by TroperOnAStickV2 on Sep 13th 2018 at 11:50:43 AM

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#254659: Sep 13th 2018 at 8:48:05 AM

So the leader of the free world is now a full-blown conpiracy theorist, despite the fact he himself was behind many of those deaths (worse than Katrina). I guess the next in natural progression for republicans really is Alex Jones.

Where have you been? Trump's been a full-blown conspiracy theorist since long before he took office. This is the guy who championed the Birtherist movement and kept beating that horse long after everyone else recognized how stupid it was.

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#254660: Sep 13th 2018 at 8:53:20 AM

I think we call hurricanes an "it".

I don't think Florence is anywhere near destructive enough to become Katrina 2.0. If Isaac survives the trip through the eastern Caribbean and causes a million fatalities in Texas then we can talk.

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#254661: Sep 13th 2018 at 9:12:33 AM

"This is the guy who championed the Birtherist movement and kept beating that horse long after everyone else recognized how stupid it was. "

And he manage to get out of that without any backlash whatsoever, I really dislike that shit.

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#254662: Sep 13th 2018 at 9:29:48 AM

[up]x6 Frankly, I’m a little concerned by the alarmism often seen in this thread. That kind of stuff doesn’t have any place in a productive discourse.

Edited by archonspeaks on Sep 13th 2018 at 9:29:29 AM

They should have sent a poet.
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#254664: Sep 13th 2018 at 9:41:33 AM

The Trump administration is making it harder for Christian refugees to enter the United States. Despite Trump's promise to help vulnerable Christians around the world, many groups remain in legal limbo while they await a decision on their fate, including a group of Iranian Christians waiting in Austria.
I'd wager that the Trump administration don't believe that anyone from a middle eastern nation is actually a Christian, but rather an Islamic terrorist in disguise.
I'm less worried about Trump nuking Korea than of his screaming "VOTER FRAUD!", declaring martial law and getting his shiny new Supreme Court to rubber stamp it.
This is a situation that I think even some of the conservative SCOTUS judges would balk at ... but it's still possible I suppose.
Do any of you think or have even experienced supporters who would actually jihad themselves for him? I'm not just talking violence, I mean the possibility of them throwing themselves on their sword, or at least to authorities demanding to take them instead. Has it really reached that point?
Personally, no; I live in a fairly liberal part of California. Do they exist? Absolutely; a good chunk of the neo-nazi base are angry enough to martyr themselves, though we haven't seen it yet.

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#254665: Sep 13th 2018 at 9:43:58 AM

NPR is saying on their podcast that most of the drop in Trump's approval rating comes from the Midwest.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#254666: Sep 13th 2018 at 9:44:00 AM

This is a situation that I think even some of the conservative SCOTUS judges would balk at ... but it's still possible I suppose.

No it's not, Trump lacks that power and the Supreme Court relies on its prestige to have power.

Thus if Trump tried that Congress would just say Hell no and then the Supreme Court would be discredited in the public eye.

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#254667: Sep 13th 2018 at 9:49:06 AM

[up][up]If that is accurate and holds, that's excellent news for both November and 2020. Trump cannot be re-elected without Midwestern support.

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#254668: Sep 13th 2018 at 9:55:32 AM

No it's not, Trump lacks that power and the Supreme Court relies on its prestige to have power.

Thus if Trump tried that Congress would just say Hell no and then the Supreme Court would be discredited in the public eye.

I don't mean that I think it's possible for Trump to stage his own coup and keep power via martial law. I mean it's possible that SCOTUS would rule in a wildly biased fashion towards him. Because they've never done that before. Should Trump try some way to strip power out of a Democratic Senate (such as wildly illegal Executive Orders), even though such things would instantly be challenged in court, yes it's possible that SCOTUS rules in their favor.

And having the Supreme Court discredited would be another blow to our already wobbling democracy. Personally I don't want to see it die during my lifetime if we can avoid it.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#254669: Sep 13th 2018 at 10:10:30 AM

I don't mean that I think it's possible for Trump to stage his own coup and keep power via martial law. I mean it's possible that SCOTUS would rule in a wildly biased fashion towards him. Because they've never done that before. Should Trump try some way to strip power out of a Democratic Senate (such as wildly illegal Executive Orders), even though such things would instantly be challenged in court, yes it's possible that SCOTUS rules in their favor.

Then they would be destroying the power of their institution and would be giving the Democratic Congress the power to pack their courts. They probably wouldn't be stupid enough to try but if they did then it would immediately explode in their face.

And having the Supreme Court discredited would be another blow to our already wobbling democracy. Personally I don't want to see it die during my lifetime if we can avoid it.

I completely disagree, more often then not the Supreme Court has been a tool of reactionaries and others who desire to obstruct progress.

Its actual history shows the falseness of the idea that it's somehow crucial to our democracy, it's not going to reflect the beliefs of most voters and hasn't for decades.

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#254670: Sep 13th 2018 at 10:48:09 AM

[up] So if the house, senate and white house are all democrats how much would a conservative supreme court hamper them? If Kavanaugh a hardcore republican extremist or just another spineless stooge?

Edited by Kaiseror on Sep 13th 2018 at 12:55:26 PM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#254671: Sep 13th 2018 at 10:51:35 AM

Depends on how much of anything they do gets challenged in Court, I suppose.

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#254672: Sep 13th 2018 at 10:56:54 AM

[up][up]Kavanaugh is definitely a Reaganist Republican, with his most Trumpish feature being that he doesn't think a sitting President can be indicted (which is actually something he wanted to do when he was a part of the Star investigations into Clinton, but was forced to go along with them in indicting Clinton).

Even with Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, though, this Court is no where near as Conservative as the Lochner Court (1887-1937) was; they were so against the Government getting involved with Business and Welfare, that their Court was why Franklin Roosevelt wanted to pack the Courts. This threat made them concede on their Uber Conservatism, and allowed for most of Roosevelt's Welfare Policies after '37.

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Sep 13th 2018 at 1:56:45 PM

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#254673: Sep 13th 2018 at 11:13:38 AM

Marines love him, but marines are ridiculous people in general and this is entirely in character for them.

Can anyone explain exactly why this is for the Marines? Also, what about the Coast Guard? Or do even the people who survey the military not know they exist?

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#254674: Sep 13th 2018 at 11:16:50 AM

Considering that the Coast Guard is getting slashed to pieces to fund his xenophobic BS, I doubt they are that fond of him.

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#254675: Sep 13th 2018 at 11:45:36 AM

If that is accurate and holds, that's excellent news for both November and 2020. Trump cannot be re-elected without Midwestern support.

November, yes. 2020 is too far out to say anything definitive. A lot can happen in two years.

Indeed, a big win in November might translate to increased voter apathy in 2020 due to voters' annoying desire for big "Close curtains, roll credits, the evil has been slain!" victories. If we actually manage to take the Senate, some people might decide the battle's won and they can go back to not caring. It's very important to make sure that doesn't happen.

Or he might get impeached.

Point is, 2020 is far enough away that very little that happens today will actually have much bearing on it. Voters have a short memory. The Midterms are today's concern.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 13th 2018 at 12:47:51 PM

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