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PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#254301: Sep 7th 2018 at 3:39:21 PM

Could Trump fire his entire staff? And what would be the consequences of such a move?

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#254302: Sep 7th 2018 at 3:40:45 PM
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#254303: Sep 7th 2018 at 3:44:48 PM

...debatable.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#254304: Sep 7th 2018 at 3:45:09 PM

> Could Trump fire his entire staff? And what would be the consequences of such a move?

My immediate thought is that without his staff to do the day to day running of things there would be a collapse of the Government and shutdown,congress would call a emergency meetings to revolve the crisis ,it would go on for months before they settle on allowing his staff to return,they'd probably pass legislation so Trump can't fire his entire staff again

In that time everyone would be hoping he's impeached but everyone is too busy trying to get things moving again

Bottom line: With his authority as President he could try

Edited by Ultimatum on Sep 7th 2018 at 10:47:34 AM

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PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#254305: Sep 7th 2018 at 3:47:19 PM

On the other hand, if that were to happen somehow the GOP would get so thoroughly destroyed at the midterms that Dems might even take the Senate.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Sep 7th 2018 at 6:58:41 AM

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#254306: Sep 7th 2018 at 3:49:15 PM

[up][up][up][up]Ummmmm......

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#254307: Sep 7th 2018 at 3:54:26 PM

There's something be said about once you start just writing people off as monsters you completely turn them into some nebulous "evil" and begin to ignore the causes and steps and build up that leads to atrocities and the destruction of democracy and human rights.

Oh really when?
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#254308: Sep 7th 2018 at 3:58:58 PM

Well, are there any redeemable qualities to Trump? We're talking if Chris Chan was President, and he's a Memetic Loser.

Edited by RainingMetal on Sep 7th 2018 at 5:58:32 AM

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#254309: Sep 7th 2018 at 4:00:26 PM

Honestly I had more to that post planned but I realized I was genuinely struggling to think of any positive or remotely redeeming characteristic or action Trump has ever undertaken in his life.

Oh really when?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#254310: Sep 7th 2018 at 4:02:17 PM

I see no point in calling real human beings CompleteMonsters when just calling them horrible people will suffice.

It just comes off as dehumanizing, and that should be avoided, even with real life terrible people.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#254311: Sep 7th 2018 at 4:02:28 PM

Honestly I had more to that post planned but I realized I was genuinely struggling to think of any positive or remotely redeeming characteristic or action Trump has ever undertaken in his life.

He seemed honestly disturbed about the Syrian children who died during the gas attack.

And he seems to care about his family.

....

That's it. I can't think of anything else.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 7th 2018 at 7:02:36 AM

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#254312: Sep 7th 2018 at 4:03:07 PM

[up][up][up]Well, there's this anti-smoking PSA during his years at The Apprentice, but that's about it.

Edited by Mario1995 on Sep 7th 2018 at 7:02:47 AM

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fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#254313: Sep 7th 2018 at 4:04:14 PM

I really ought to get an IUD before they get banned or something. Then again, I might never find someone to take it out if it’s banned for a long time.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#254314: Sep 7th 2018 at 4:04:21 PM

[up]x4 And therein lies the problem. Media and we ourselves have a bad habit of conflating personal and public good and evil.

My dad has worked hard his whole life. He has done a good job supporting our family. While he has his flaws as a husband, and definitely has some bad and selfish habits, he was overall a decent father who supported our ambitions and tried to be there for us, although he’s not really a very emotional person. He’s financially helped his family and close friends, even when his own finances were shaky. He tips well at restaurants, and can have a genuine, friendly conversation with pretty much anyone.

So, personally? He’s a good, albeit flawed person.

Politically?

He refuses to pay any attention to the current state of crisis, beyond the garbage discussed on local conservative-hack talk radio. He refuses to condemn the appalling human rights violations by this administration, and at most excuses them as not being the administration’s fault. He’s not opposed racism or sexism in any way that I know of, other than supporting my sister (a businesswoman) and myself (a law student) in our ambitions and believing in our intelligence, and pushing for Jewish members to be allowed at a local recreational club (think fancier than the Y but not a country club) back in the 60s, and vaguely supporting the civil rights movement and anti-Vietnam movement.

Politically, my dad is not a good person. Not even a little bit. His sphere of influence is small, and he’s not abusing women or minorities or undocumented immigrants in real life- just voting in a way that doesn’t give a damn for their rights.

I’m sure Mike Pence is a decent father. That doesn’t excuse the things that he has done with the power that he has obtained. The definition of a complete monster should encompass this nuance. Hitler loved dogs and was a vegetarian. He was still a complete monster.

[up] Get one. Do your research, I think some of them last up to five years. And if it needs to be removed, you would be able to get it removed by either a doctor eager for you to get pregnant, or by a women’s activist.

Edited by wisewillow on Sep 7th 2018 at 7:06:32 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#254315: Sep 7th 2018 at 4:04:24 PM

Well, there's this anti-smoking PSA during his years at The Apprentice, but that's about it.

That reminds me.

He's apparently a teetotaler, so that's another positive factor!

Still doesn't outweigh the overwhelming horribleness obviously.

And there in lies the problem. Media and we ourselves have a bad habit of conflating personal and public good and evil.

Well said, or acting as if personal good is somehow more important then public evil.

Like I've gotten into arguments in other forums in that I believe Trump supporters are bad people regardless how they treat their families or friends, voting apparently doesn't matter but being nice is some grand moral statement.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 7th 2018 at 7:06:44 AM

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#254317: Sep 7th 2018 at 4:12:35 PM

I have to admit, even as an anti-smoker, I laughed at that ad.

"SMOKING SUCKS!... the air out of your lungs."

Edited by speedyboris on Sep 7th 2018 at 6:14:47 AM

Imca (Veteran)
#254318: Sep 7th 2018 at 4:34:31 PM

Honestly I don't see the doubt that Mike Pence wrote the tell all, not only does it use his language but either way it goes it is a win for him.

A) It appeases republican voters by assuring them there are still sane voices in the white house, thus strengthening the party and encouraging turnout for midterms.... this gives him more power.
B) It causes problems for Trump, it is no secret that Pence wants to be president... and he is next in line, pulling the star-scream act works wonders for him on a personal level.
C) Nothing happens, because every one is already desensitized to trump, he looses nothing but the effort.

Plus, if it was Pence, vetting him would be much easier, and make his candid much more believable to the news outlets.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#254319: Sep 7th 2018 at 4:35:21 PM

[up]Yeah I think that it's possible that it was him, not a certain thing but it would be a mistake to discount things.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#254320: Sep 7th 2018 at 4:36:00 PM

I'm not sure if I'd call the fact that he's a teetotaler a positive quality. It's a humanizing quality, especially since the reason he doesn't drink is because drinking killed his brother, but not wanting to die of alcohol poisoning is still an essentially selfish thing.

Like, 'alcoholic' is a negative quality Trump doesn't possess, but surely mere absence of a negative quality isn't good enough.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#254321: Sep 7th 2018 at 4:39:26 PM

Why do you think there is some traction at raging over things like women and minorities in media? What I'm not entirely sure about is why this is not such an issue under Bush or Reagan. Just how many I wonder are simply 4Chan and Encyclopedia Dramatica trolls and see Trump as their champion.

It's not trolling in the sense you'd normally use the term. This is the unfiltered selves of a bunch of entitled young men who see women as objects and are pissed off when women (or anyone else who's not a white cismale, but I think the alt-right's main target is women) demand to be treated as human beings. Reddit and 4chan just allow these sorts of individuals to aggregate and reinforce each other's toxicity until it reaches critical mass and spills over into Real Life.

The shit's always been there, it's just now that we as a society have to address it.

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#254322: Sep 7th 2018 at 4:43:00 PM

I think it's very probable. In addition to the lodestar thing, it would also need to be someone who is in a position to enact the 25th Amendment. So "Random Staffer #5" is out.

It would further need to be someone who was in a position to enact the 25th early in Trump's Presidency and is still in the White House today. A lot of Trump's early cabinet has been cycled since he took office, but the Vice President isn't going anywhere.

And it would need to be someone that Trump actually listens to, someone who's in a position to rein him in. So it ain't Jeff Sessions.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 7th 2018 at 5:44:44 AM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#254323: Sep 7th 2018 at 4:43:07 PM

Why do you think there is some traction at raging over things like women and minorities in media? What I'm not entirely sure about is why this is not such an issue under Bush or Reagan.

Anita Hill lost her job in the wake of her testimony against Clarence Thomas. Newspapers, radio hosts, random yahoos called her a nutty, angry, uppity black woman. This has always been here, it’s just been different without the Internet.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#254324: Sep 7th 2018 at 5:06:07 PM

The thing about the Alt-Right is a large chunk of it is a bunch of the nerds who believed in Fake Geek Girls, conspiracies by women to defraud them by pretending to be interested in their stuff, and guys who assumed everyone was bullying them but THEY were Nice Guys. The racism element is because their lives aren't overflowing with success.

The thing is, these assholes grew up and got a modicum of power.

Even if it was only harrassing people.

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pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#254325: Sep 7th 2018 at 6:01:29 PM

Trump is not a monster. He's just an idiot who doesn't know what the hell he's doing. He acts on impulse without realizing the consequences of his actions, nor does he acknowledge the limits of his power.

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