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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#253876: Sep 1st 2018 at 8:03:43 PM

Really? Why? Leiberman was singlehandedly responsible for killing the public option on the ACA bill. Granted, that was after the 2008 election, but he did plenty of objectionable crap before then.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#253877: Sep 1st 2018 at 8:40:40 PM

NAFTA has had quite a few bad consequences in terms of exploitative labor practices in Mexico.

Overall it's a good thing but it is very much a thing designed for the benefit of corporations over the common people.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 1st 2018 at 8:40:36 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#253878: Sep 1st 2018 at 8:45:34 PM

[up][up]"Not as obnoxious as Palin" would probably be persuasive to a lot of people. Not everything is because of deep political reasoning.

Edited by RainehDaze on Sep 1st 2018 at 4:47:35 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#253879: Sep 1st 2018 at 8:46:35 PM

That said, the only actual Mexican poster who commented about NAFTA on this thread has said that it was overall a good thing. At least, I recall that they pushed back against the idea that NAFTA is responsible for femicide.

Disgusted, but not surprised
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#253880: Sep 1st 2018 at 8:48:52 PM

Oh Lord do I want to know what femicide is?

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#253881: Sep 1st 2018 at 8:53:22 PM

Either "killing women" or, and I'd expect this is possibly slightly more likely, killing infant daughters.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#253882: Sep 1st 2018 at 9:01:01 PM

"Killing females, especially by a male, especially for their gender".

Leviticus 19:34
Imca (Veteran)
#253883: Sep 1st 2018 at 9:10:09 PM

I have been away due to obligations and saw this... but ummm "Rethuglicans" what is that even mean?

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#253884: Sep 1st 2018 at 9:10:44 PM

@Imca: It's a pun trying to accuse republicans of being thugs.

Leviticus 19:34
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#253885: Sep 1st 2018 at 9:15:25 PM

The basic argument for NAFTA leading to the massive upswing in female homicide.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/booked/2011/03/23/in-ciudad-juarez-naftas-grisly-legacy/#78acec9f1de5

https://revista.drclas.harvard.edu/book/other-side-ciudad-juA1rez-femicide-story

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#253886: Sep 1st 2018 at 9:28:56 PM

We had this argument already. And Cid, who is from Mexico, was very clear about how blaming NAFTA for this is wrong.

Edited by M84 on Sep 2nd 2018 at 12:32:12 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#253887: Sep 1st 2018 at 9:37:52 PM

Something I've been curious about for a while, why exactly is that one topic banned? The thing I've heard is that it invites arguments and controversy, but I feel like there aren't many common Tropers who'd take the side of the misogynists in said banned topic. Is it that it actually would invite trolls from 4chan to attack people here? Do they really monitor these threads closely enough to jump at any opportunity to argue about a thing that happened four years ago?

I'm just asking because I've been doing a bit of research on the banned topic, and I'm interested in having a conversation about it. I wasn't really active enough four years ago to take notice of the thing when it happened, so it feels like it happened longer ago than it actually did to me.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#253888: Sep 1st 2018 at 9:40:29 PM

Because there are Tropers here sympathetic to it, and apparently very few people who want to talk about it can keep their emotions in enough check to discuss it civilly.

Also, asking about it is not really a US politics topic so.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#253889: Sep 1st 2018 at 9:45:15 PM

I mean, even the Wikipedia page seems to take the side of the not-sexists, I would assume that if you're a fan of it, you might just be a bad person. Fair point on this not really being US Politics, but my whole point is that there really isn't an appropriate place to ask this question.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#253890: Sep 1st 2018 at 9:51:57 PM

When that topic was at it's height you couldn't even drop the name on the forums without it erupting into a massive flamewar.

It's quieted down now and the dust has sorta settled on what it was really about but everyone still tries not to poke it lest we attract more of those types of people.

Oh really when?
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#253891: Sep 1st 2018 at 9:59:17 PM

There's always the FAQ forum for a general question about what topics are acceptable, next time you've got a question like that. Or hell, even the US culture thread would have been better, since it's more closely related to that. Anyway, end of digression.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#253892: Sep 1st 2018 at 10:00:30 PM

[up][up]One could say something similar about TV Tropes itself. From what I've heard, around the time of the banned topic's events and a bit before I joined the site, there were a lot of bad and weird people here doing bad and weird things to the wiki. TV Tropes has since cleaned up its act and cleaned out a lot of the problematic people, but I feel like the mods still tread lightly for fear of the whole thing reigniting.

The website itself has been cleaned up and the banned topic is officially in the past. The firestorm surrounding both have cooled down. I don't really think the mods need to be so cautious as to have said banned topic still be completely banned.

[up]Sure, end of digression.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 1st 2018 at 10:03:09 AM

Deadbeatloser22 MOD from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#253893: Sep 2nd 2018 at 1:32:45 AM

Yes, it is.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#253894: Sep 2nd 2018 at 10:30:15 AM

one of the mothers of the Parkland victims won a school board seat in Broward County, District 4. She also made a nonprofit organization.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Sep 2nd 2018 at 10:48:01 AM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#253895: Sep 2nd 2018 at 12:40:05 PM

Today in political trolling: Paul Ryan’s hand-picked replacement, Bryan Steil, released several minutes of silent footage for right wing PA Cs to use.

His opponent decided to use the B roll footage first.

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#253896: Sep 2nd 2018 at 1:38:50 PM

The Twitter replies to that are priceless.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#253897: Sep 2nd 2018 at 2:01:14 PM

Speaking of Twitter and political trolling, activists are setting up a billboard with Trump's tweets bashing Ted Cruz just after Trump announced he was going to campaign for Cruz.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#253898: Sep 2nd 2018 at 2:23:25 PM

[up][up][up]That burn.

I can feel it from this side of the equatorial line.

Edited by AngelusNox on Sep 2nd 2018 at 6:23:09 AM

Inter arma enim silent leges
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#253899: Sep 2nd 2018 at 3:06:29 PM

I see Wisconsin is not yet lost, well done.[lol]

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#253900: Sep 2nd 2018 at 4:44:09 PM

[up] The trio of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are not lost at all. They went for change, but found out that it wasn't what they had in mind at all, realised this, and have turned in force for the democrats again this year already.

Life is unfair...

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