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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#253851: Sep 1st 2018 at 1:54:06 PM

It was an ambiguous statement about the scope of it.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#253852: Sep 1st 2018 at 1:54:21 PM

I mean shit, one state was somehow allowed to continue flying the confederate battle flag.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#253853: Sep 1st 2018 at 1:58:09 PM

[up][up]Hmm, I see what you mean.

Their statement was rather too vague.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 1st 2018 at 5:01:52 AM

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#253854: Sep 1st 2018 at 2:16:20 PM

Apparently McCain's funeral was full of eulogies throwing shade at Trump. This is gonna get ugly...

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#253855: Sep 1st 2018 at 2:17:36 PM

Deep down, I don't know if McCain would have disapproved

Oh really when?
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#253856: Sep 1st 2018 at 2:34:15 PM

McCainwas very clear he hated Trump, hated his politics (or the extremism of them), and hated Trump. In that order. He was never unclear about that and had nothing to lose at the last portion of his career/life.

Even if he was a Neocon, he at least had the dignity to think Trump made Republicans look stupid and thought that was a bad thing.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 1st 2018 at 2:34:28 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#253857: Sep 1st 2018 at 2:43:48 PM

He also explicitly disinvited Trump from his funeral earlier this year. Somehow I don't think he would have minded a bit of shade thrown at the guy.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#253858: Sep 1st 2018 at 2:50:56 PM

[up][up]Considering that he had Sarah Palin as his running mate all of this is deeply ironic.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 1st 2018 at 5:53:32 AM

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#253860: Sep 1st 2018 at 2:55:34 PM

Speaking of whom, Palin was also told to not come to the funeral.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#253861: Sep 1st 2018 at 2:58:27 PM

Didn't someone say he regretted taking her on as a running mate? I'd like to know if there's a verifiable source for that, but they haven't exactly been buddy buddy since the campaign.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#253862: Sep 1st 2018 at 3:01:27 PM

He's on record saying that selecting Palin was a mistake, and that he should have gone with his gut choice, Joe Lieberman.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/11/politics/sarah-palin-john-mccain-2008-running-mate/index.html

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TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#253863: Sep 1st 2018 at 5:16:30 PM

McCain’s last letter to the nation also had a pretty explicit rebuke of the alt-Reich and the worst elements of the deplorables, so that’s another hint that he wouldn’t have minded people going after Trump and company.

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Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#253864: Sep 1st 2018 at 5:17:23 PM

[up] Yeah, I saw that Joe Liebermann spoke at Mc Cain's funeral and it really seemed like they were the best of friends. Mavericks stick together I guess. But ultimately, Mc Cain wanted someone to energize women and tycoons and that was a big mistake.

Still, I'll reiterate my belief he is absolutely not to blame for what the republican party turned into afterwards. That process started in 1992, with the GOP acting like they needed to go to war with the democrats, and the Tea Party would've been created regardless of Palin.

Life is unfair...
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#253865: Sep 1st 2018 at 5:28:51 PM

Trump's been a bit obsessed with Canada today. All day.

There is no political necessity to keep Canada in the new NAFTA deal. If we don’t make a fair deal for the U.S. after decades of abuse, Canada will be out. Congress should not interfere w/ these negotiations or I will simply terminate NAFTA entirely & we will be far better off...

....Remember, NAFTA was one of the WORST Trade Deals ever made. The U.S. lost thousands of businesses and millions of jobs. We were far better off before NAFTA - should never have been signed. Even the Vat Tax was not accounted for. We make new deal or go back to pre-NAFTA!

No Deal! Trade Talks with Canada Conclude for the Week with No Agreement | Breitbart http://bit.ly/2LJgJn2 via @Breitbart News

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

We shouldn’t have to buy our friends with bad Trade Deals and Free Military Protection!

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#253866: Sep 1st 2018 at 5:33:19 PM

"You Have No Shame": Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner attend McCain funeral service after the president wasn't invited.

The couple did not sit at the front of the cathedral, but were visible on the live stream of the service, as the denizens of Twitter were quick to note.

...

Many people felt their attendance was disrespectful, as Mc Cain had instructed that the president was not to be invited.

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#253867: Sep 1st 2018 at 5:41:37 PM

[up] Children should not be blamed for the things their parents do and bad relationships they cultivate. You could say Ivanka and Jared are close to Trump due to their jobs at the White House, but still, only the president himself was univinted.

Life is unfair...
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#253868: Sep 1st 2018 at 5:46:41 PM

Except they are not children. They are adults.

Disgusted, but not surprised
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#253869: Sep 1st 2018 at 5:47:34 PM

Children can absolutely be blamed when they wholeheartedly endorse their parent’s behavior, especially when the children in question are complicit grown ass adults.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#253870: Sep 1st 2018 at 5:56:54 PM

Manafort associate paid Trump inauguration $50,000 in Ukrainian cash

A Republican political consultant linked to Paul Manafort and Cambridge Analytica has admitted to funneling $50,000 from a Ukrainian oligarch to Donald Trump’s presidential inauguration committee.

Sam Patten used the money to buy tickets for the oligarch and a Russian associate to Trump’s inauguration in January 2017, according to a plea agreement made public on Friday. The inauguration fund was not allowed to accept money from foreigners.

The disclosure came as Patten pleaded guilty to illegally lobbying in the US for pro-Russia politicians from Ukraine. As part of his plea deal, he agreed to cooperate with Robert Mueller, the special counsel investigating links between Donald Trump’s campaign team and Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Patten, 47, admitted causing the Ukrainian funds to be paid to the inauguration committee, and to lying to a Senate committee investigating Russian interference in an attempt to cover this up. He was not charged for these actions.

He pleaded guilty to one count of working as an unregistered agent for the oligarch’s Ukrainian political party, Opposition Bloc, which also employed Manafort, the former chairman of Trump’s 2016 campaign. Patten was released on bail by judge Amy Berman Jackson following a hearing in Washington.

The charge was brought by the US attorney’s office in the capital, which took over the case following a referral from Mueller’s office. The court filings indicated that Patten had been in discussions with Mueller’s office for at least three months.

A spokesman for the US attorney’s office said the charge against Patten was a felony punishable by a maximum of five years in prison and also carried potential fines. Stuart Sears, an attorney for Patten, declined to comment.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#253871: Sep 1st 2018 at 6:02:19 PM

[up]x6 Did he just threaten Congress?

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#253872: Sep 1st 2018 at 6:18:07 PM

If you've read anything about McCain's behind the scenes, he not only regretted selecting Palin but (not hyperbole) hated her after just a few meetings.

He was basically recommended her without personally meeting her or vetting her.

Later, he'd expressed he probably could have been elected had he not taken her, which is...bluntly, not true in the slightest.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 1st 2018 at 6:18:16 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#253873: Sep 1st 2018 at 6:32:02 PM

[up][up]Yeeup. Not that it's gonna work. Regardless of what he does, he can't actually terminate NAFTA without Congressional approval. He's basically threatening Congress not to make him do something that only they can actually do. Another case of Trump having no clue how things actually work.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#253874: Sep 1st 2018 at 7:13:31 PM

I wonder if he's ever looked up NAFTA and what it does. I did a while ago and while it appears to be an all around good deal according to the wikipedia article, it definitely pointed out at the time that the US came out of it better than either Canada or Mexico.

He probably hasn't. But then my mind goes to wondering if this is just his racist ranting to his base or if he's had some deal or other that's been affected by NAFTA. I can't recall that he's had a lot of dealings in Mexico or Canada. It mostly seems to be overseas stuff he's involved in.

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#253875: Sep 1st 2018 at 7:55:59 PM

He's on record saying that selecting Palin was a mistake, and that he should have gone with his gut choice, Joe Lieberman.
If he'd picked Lieberman, I probably would have voted for him instead of Obama.

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