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#253751: Aug 31st 2018 at 11:34:31 AM

That'd take too long, unless you just dumped a bucket of blue paint of them.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#253752: Aug 31st 2018 at 11:36:38 AM

Why blue? Blood red would be more appropriate.

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#253753: Aug 31st 2018 at 11:38:18 AM

Or just do Physical Stamina's "WE LOST BTW" idea, that's more succinct and punchy then red or blue paint.

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#253754: Aug 31st 2018 at 11:39:18 AM

I suggest having statues of Civil War soldiers be ambiguous as to which side they're supposed to be on. Just a bronze statue with no insignia on the uniform, so you can't tell if it's Billy Yank or Johnny Reb.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#253755: Aug 31st 2018 at 11:40:33 AM

.....yeah no. Because that’s again suggesting that the soldiers, and therefore, what they fought for, were equally noble and righteous and need not be distinguished.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#253756: Aug 31st 2018 at 11:41:59 AM

[up]Seconded.

We need to get away from the position that both sides were just fighting for what they believed in without critically examining *what* they believed in.

That would bolster Lost Causism.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#253757: Aug 31st 2018 at 11:44:11 AM

Yeah, the point we need to make now is that pretty much all of them were fucking terrible and if the Civil War had happened today they'd all be rightly hanged for crimes against humanity.

Oh really when?
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#253758: Aug 31st 2018 at 11:46:20 AM

To be clear, are you saying all that the confederates were terrible, or are you saying that both sides were terrible? Because again, portraying the two sides as equally repugnant is not productive or accurate.

Edited by wisewillow on Aug 31st 2018 at 2:45:54 PM

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#253759: Aug 31st 2018 at 11:49:49 AM

Quite sure it's the former, though I agree the wording could have used improvement.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#253760: Aug 31st 2018 at 11:50:09 AM

[up]Seconded. I don't think they're #bothsiding it.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 31st 2018 at 2:50:11 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#253761: Aug 31st 2018 at 11:54:21 AM

All Confederates were believers in slavery, white supremacy, and the independence of their society for the purposes of supporting these two ideas. All volunteers of the Confederacy were people who believed these were concepts worth fighting for.

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#253762: Aug 31st 2018 at 12:04:06 PM

While the Democratic Party certainly has its flaws, this Republican administration is so mind-bogglingly retarded they barely register on the scale.

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#253763: Aug 31st 2018 at 12:04:53 PM

I would like to ask that we not use ableist slurs. There are other ways to insult the GOP.

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#253764: Aug 31st 2018 at 12:05:56 PM

[up][up][up] Or did not consider them deal-breakers as a reason for their state's secession from and armed rebellion against the Union. In other words, apathetic to the suffering of the enslaved despite having no interest in actively participating in the enslavement.

Edited by MarqFJA on Aug 31st 2018 at 10:06:39 PM

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#253765: Aug 31st 2018 at 12:06:06 PM

[up][up]Seconded.

Edited by 3of4 on Aug 31st 2018 at 9:05:39 PM

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#253767: Aug 31st 2018 at 12:11:06 PM

I certainly can, their weakness and softness allowed the cancerous Southern social structure to remain intact which is directly responsible for unimaginable suffering amongst black people and spawned the majority of the issues that effect the South today.

Was it understandable? Certainly, but that doesn't make it any less unjustified or contemptible in my eyes.

My thoughts exactly. To quote the great Dr. King:

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.

Amazing how much of this remains relevant to this day.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 31st 2018 at 1:11:39 PM

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#253768: Aug 31st 2018 at 12:23:24 PM

[up]I actually was thinking of that exact quote when writing that post, sadly the North was full of white moderates who felt that peace were more important then justice.

And unfortunately you're completely right that those words have not become any less relevant.

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#253769: Aug 31st 2018 at 12:53:15 PM

NAFTA talks have broken off, and will resume next week. So much for Donald's extortionate "deadline".

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-trump-compromise-trudeau-1.4806240

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#253770: Aug 31st 2018 at 12:59:24 PM

Few pages late, but with the Bank of America and "shame" idea...

1) As mentioned on page 10147 in the article mctagg posted, they have closed the accounts of people born in the US, specifically Josh Collins of Wichita, Kansas.

2) This is the same company who not only foreclosed on the wrong house (the couple didn't even have a mortgage), they refused to abide by the court's ruling to pay their attorney's fees until the couple foreclosed on their local branch in lieu of payment.

Edited by ironballs16 on Aug 31st 2018 at 12:59:21 PM

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#253771: Aug 31st 2018 at 1:05:12 PM

AP sources: Lawyer was told Russia had 'Trump over a barrel'

WASHINGTON (AP) — A senior Justice Department lawyer says a former British spy told him at a breakfast meeting two years ago that Russian intelligence believed it had Donald Trump "over a barrel," according to multiple people familiar with the encounter.

The lawyer, Bruce Ohr, also says he learned that a Trump campaign aide had met with higher-level Russian officials than the aide had acknowledged, the people said.

The previously unreported details of the July 30, 2016, breakfast with Christopher Steele, which Ohr described to lawmakers this week in a private interview, reveal an exchange of potentially explosive information about Trump between two men the president has relentlessly sought to discredit.

The people who discussed Ohr's interview were not authorized to publicly discuss details of the closed session and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

Among the things Ohr said he learned from Steele during the breakfast was that an unnamed former Russian intelligence official had communicated that Russian intelligence believed "they had Trump over a barrel," according to people familiar with the meeting.

It was not clear from Ohr's interview whether Steele was directly told that or had picked that up through his contacts, but the broader sentiment is echoed in Steele's dossier.

Beside the "over a barrel" remark, Ohr also told Congress that Steele told him that Page, a Trump campaign aide who traveled to Moscow that same month and whose ties to Russia attracted FBI scrutiny, had met with more-senior Russian officials than he had acknowledged.

That breakfast took place amid ongoing FBI concerns about Russian election interference and possible communication with Trump associates.

By that point, Russian hackers had penetrated Democratic email accounts, including that of the Clinton campaign chairman, and Papadopoulos, the Trump campaign associate, was said to have revealed that Russians had "dirt" on Democrat Hillary Clinton in the form of emails, court papers say.

That revelation prompted the FBI to open the counterintelligence investigation on July 31, 2016, one day after the breakfast but based on entirely different information.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#253772: Aug 31st 2018 at 1:06:18 PM

Honestly, I'm not really sure why it matters that there were not-terrible, or even "decent" people in the Confederacy; the same could probably be said for most major conflicts.

That doesn't change that one-side overwhelmingly had the higher moral ground over the other. Otherwise fine people are perfectly capable of doing terrible things, it doesn't absolve them of it.

Edited by LSBK on Aug 31st 2018 at 3:16:13 AM

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#253774: Aug 31st 2018 at 1:14:20 PM

[up][up]Very true, honestly I think the problem is that people have a very black and white view of things where bad sides can't actually have generally good people supporting them. The banality of evil fully permits for individual decency.

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#253775: Aug 31st 2018 at 1:14:32 PM

Donald Trump... apparently unaware that he's just confirmed as true the news reports about what he said off the record:

Wow, I made OFF THE RECORD COMMENTS to Bloomberg concerning Canada, and this powerful understanding was BLATANTLY VIOLATED. Oh well, just more dishonest reporting. I am used to it. At least Canada knows where I stand!

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