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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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This fat white guy agrees with you. It would have been far better for a country as a whole if we had liquidated the plantations, divided them among their slaves, and given each ex-slave a firearm to defend his land against marauding Klansmen.
(This statement has no bearing on modern gun politics. "I need a gun to be able to personally defend my home and property" made a lot more sense in 1865 than it does now.)
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It wasn't feasible because the North didn't have the will for it and for dealing with the inevitable insurgency, they wanted their order and civility back even if it was paid for with the blood of black people and white Republicans.
Goddamn white moderates.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 31st 2018 at 10:47:35 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang![]()
I certainly can, their weakness and softness allowed the cancerous Southern social structure to remain intact which is directly responsible for unimaginable suffering amongst black people and spawned the majority of the issues that effect the South today.
Was it understandable? Certainly, but that doesn't make it any less unjustified or contemptible in my eyes.
Ok this is extremely unfair considering that Lincoln was y'know assassinated? We don't know what reconstruction would've been like under him because we never got to see it.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 31st 2018 at 11:24:16 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangTrump’s tweeting about Don Mc Ghahn now:
I am very excited about the person who will be taking the place of Don Mc Gahn as White House Counsel! I liked Don, but he was NOT responsible for me not firing Bob Mueller or Jeff Sessions. So much Fake Reporting and Fake News!
Regarding Civil War statues - I made one proposal much earlier in this thread. But, if you really want to make a statement, commission a new statue - one that depicts Lee, Stephens and others offering reparations to King and X. Hell, show them grovelling for forgiveness.
It'll be a lightning rod for sure, and bound to attract entirely the wrong sort of attention. (It would essentially be trolling the trolls.) But then you keep a watchful eye over it, and note who brings the graffiti and vandalism, and then all you need do is enforce the letter of the law.
I like how he puts "smooth-running machine" in quotes, like even he knows he's full of shit.
Anyway, apparently Cynthia Nixon is challenging Andrew Cuomo for governor of New York.
Also apparently, she's a fairly high-profile actor.
...I want to feel more enthusiastic about this than I do. Like, apparently (yeah I'm using that word a lot, I have never heard of this woman until a few minutes ago) she at least has a history of activism
, but ultimately I'm just tired of the trend of putting actors in political positions. Schwarzenegger, Franken, Trump, Reagan (come to think of it this shit all started with him, didn't it? dammit, Reagan) and now Cynthia Nixon.
While I'm at it, I'm also tired of how the term "Progressive" is used.
Edited by PhysicalStamina on Aug 31st 2018 at 11:41:24 AM
i'm tired, my friendTrumps popularity is trending downward again.
Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Aug 31st 2018 at 11:47:44 AM
Watch SymphogearHere’s the Crash Course episode about reconstruction, just so we all have a common reference point.
Basically, reconstruction was initially relatively successful (although it did have serious flaws), with expanded voting rights, and nearly 2000 Africans American holding some sort of office, before it was sabotaged by Andrew Johnson.
Edited by megaeliz on Aug 31st 2018 at 12:09:54 PM
Yes I think it's unjustified to allow malevolent social actors to rape and murder to their hearts content because one is war weary.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 31st 2018 at 11:54:32 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangDon't blame Lincoln for that bullshit. Lincoln actually was pursuing a heavy plan of black and white integration.
The thing about Reconstruction was it was SABOTAGED by white supremacists.
Specifically Lincoln's own Vice President.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Instead, a long term military occupation against an armed and hostile populace, killing off even more swathes of people on every side, without popular support for this especially once the bodies start mounting. Not counting the number of issues from sympathisers and turncoats.
That's just being optimistic about the long term and hoping it would all work out to justify the increase in devastation and unrest now. Hindsight doesn't mean that because one didn't work, the other is automatically more justified.

Re: Bank of America story: This quote from the Huffington Post write-up pretty much sums up why this is disconcerting:
But Paulina Gonzalez, executive director of the California Reinvestment Coalition, said banks questioning customers about their citizenship status feeds into “anti-immigrant sentiment” already running high in the wake of the 2016 presidential election.
The outcry over Bank of America’s citizenship question comes in the midst of the Trump administration’s crackdown on illegal immigration and a climate in which many immigrants in the U.S. feel increasingly vulnerable.