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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#253651: Aug 30th 2018 at 9:23:26 PM

Because if you assume she is speaking from experience, she somehow both loves her family but completely distrusts them. Odd combination.

I mean... families are complicated. Add adoption and issues of systemic racism into the mix and that’s gonna be even more complex.

Edited by wisewillow on Aug 30th 2018 at 12:23:01 PM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#253652: Aug 30th 2018 at 9:23:45 PM

The first thing that came to my mind when I heard about the government not acknowledging people's proof of citizenship around border towns was the massive wave of deportation in, I think, the 20s or 30s.

A lot of American citizens of Mexican heritage got deported, and were never let back in.

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#253653: Aug 30th 2018 at 9:51:11 PM

I remember learning about that in undergrad, so yeah, this certainly is not the first time something like this has happened.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#253654: Aug 30th 2018 at 9:54:13 PM

Some people on Game FA Qs mentioned that this an ethnic cleansing strategy and could easily turn into genocide, and that Whites who do not support the Trump regime are the next target, because they went from targeting immigrants to minorities.

Edited by CookingCat on Aug 30th 2018 at 9:56:48 AM

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#253655: Aug 30th 2018 at 11:06:01 PM

[up][up] that’s actually a really good point. Everything we’re seeing today, is not new.

In fact, in a lot of ways, it could be so much worse.

Edited by megaeliz on Aug 30th 2018 at 2:09:32 PM

eyebones Since: Apr, 2004
#253656: Aug 30th 2018 at 11:07:57 PM

dbl

Edited by eyebones on Aug 30th 2018 at 1:10:59 PM

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. — H.L. Mencken
eyebones Since: Apr, 2004
#253657: Aug 30th 2018 at 11:08:48 PM

Whites not supporting Trump are not a minority.

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. — H.L. Mencken
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#253658: Aug 30th 2018 at 11:09:19 PM

[up][up][up][up] Don't only a fraction of whites actually support trump?

Edited by Kaiseror on Aug 30th 2018 at 1:09:30 PM

tsstevens Reading tropes such as You Know What You Did from Reading tropes such as Righting Great Wrongs Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Reading tropes such as You Know What You Did
#253659: Aug 30th 2018 at 11:11:10 PM

With racism having now become official Trump government policy, how real is the threat of this being a trial balloon before applying it to who is for and against Trump?

Currently reading up My Rule Fu Is Stronger than Yours
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#253660: Aug 30th 2018 at 11:11:54 PM

[up][up] I believe the demographic that statistically supports him the most, is cisgender, white, heterosexual, Males, which says something about our culture, I think.

Edited by megaeliz on Aug 30th 2018 at 2:18:03 PM

eyebones Since: Apr, 2004
#253661: Aug 30th 2018 at 11:15:05 PM

People of any color who support Trump are a tiny minority. You're thinking of White (bigot) Republicans as if they were an appreciable percentage of people. They aren't.

Edited by eyebones on Aug 30th 2018 at 1:16:04 PM

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. — H.L. Mencken
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#253662: Aug 30th 2018 at 11:19:44 PM

I mean, they are.

Support for Trump and Republicans is going down, but the fact remains that most White people voted for Trump, and White people are more likely to identify as Republican than Democrat (and maybe independent).

It doesn't mean all White people are evil monsters, but those are just facts.

Edited by LSBK on Aug 30th 2018 at 1:22:05 PM

eyebones Since: Apr, 2004
#253663: Aug 30th 2018 at 11:29:23 PM

Ridiculous. "Most White people" did not vote for Trump. Trumpies are just loud, if you bother to listen to them.

There are more White Democrats than there are White Republicans.

Edited by eyebones on Aug 30th 2018 at 1:30:31 PM

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. — H.L. Mencken
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#253664: Aug 30th 2018 at 11:31:43 PM

Man, if don't think the majority of white people voted for Trump, how do you think he ended up getting almost half the vote?

eyebones Since: Apr, 2004
#253665: Aug 30th 2018 at 11:34:56 PM

Three million short is a big piece of 'almost.'

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. — H.L. Mencken
Imca (Veteran)
#253666: Aug 30th 2018 at 11:37:50 PM

Most White people DID vote trump, thats a fact suported by numbers

57% of white voters voted Trump, only 37% Clinton.

Edited by Imca on Aug 30th 2018 at 11:38:06 AM

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#253667: Aug 30th 2018 at 11:38:21 PM

Not when we're talking about 300 million people total. And, like, I guarantee you that the gap among minorities is considerably wider than 3 million against him, so y'know, basic math tells you that he won the white vote by a fair bit.

[up]Yeah, that confirms it, the white vote was 57% Trump and 37% Clinton; that's a pretty clear Trump majority.

Edited by Gilphon on Aug 30th 2018 at 2:42:08 PM

eyebones Since: Apr, 2004
#253668: Aug 30th 2018 at 11:41:00 PM

[up][up] Yup, here's a chart.

Now let's think about what percentage of people voted.

Edited by eyebones on Aug 30th 2018 at 1:42:49 PM

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. — H.L. Mencken
Imca (Veteran)
#253669: Aug 30th 2018 at 11:44:43 PM

First, you scale the number of people who voted up to cover the whole amount to get the most accurate picture, assuming they would vote any other way is a fallicy.

Second, those that didn't vote are still complacent in his election.

eyebones Since: Apr, 2004
#253670: Aug 30th 2018 at 11:48:39 PM

Okay, fine. Using the wide brush of "most white people" to describe it makes it seem like Whites are the enemy. Assholes are the enemy, not a specific race of assholes.

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. — H.L. Mencken
TheNohen roaming, lurking, arguing from Leipzig, Saxony Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
roaming, lurking, arguing
#253671: Aug 30th 2018 at 11:54:59 PM

But "most white people" is factual correct. Most white people able and willing to vote, did vote for Donald Trump.

I mean, don´t get me wrong. I can understand why this is uncomfortable or even difficult to come to terms with. I am from saxony, probably the most right-wing state in germany. I don´t like it, when people say that saxons tend to be right-wing. But it is also a statement that I cannot deny, even if I am not part of that trend.

A large portion of white, male citizens in the U.S.A did vote for Donald Trump. That is a sad fact. Acknowledging that there racism is a factor in how a population votes is important. Otherwise overcoming this problem will only be more difficult. And America has long ignored its widespread and sometimes even systemic racism. And it led partially to Donald Trump and ICE and several other problems.

One has to recognize a problem, in order to do soemthing about it. Most whites did vote for Donald Trump. That is a problem. Now, how can it be solved?

Edited by TheNohen on Aug 30th 2018 at 8:59:08 PM

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#253672: Aug 30th 2018 at 11:55:35 PM

Yeah, see, just saying 'white people' would painting with a wide brush. 'Most White people' is being honest about the situation. And I say that as a white person- as race, we need to confront the fact that being white means you're more likely to be racist than not. We've past the point where we can afford to stick our heads in the sand and ignore that.

I do that by not getting offended when people call attention to that unpleasant truth, and by making a conscious effort to be better than that average.

Edited by Gilphon on Aug 30th 2018 at 2:55:17 PM

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#253673: Aug 31st 2018 at 12:07:10 AM

[up]I agree.

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rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#253674: Aug 31st 2018 at 12:25:58 AM

Bank of America freezing accounts of customers suspected of not being US citizens:

Saeed Moshfegh woke up earlier this month to discover the strangest thing: though he had plenty of money in his Bank of America account, he couldn’t access it.

An Iranian getting his Ph.D in physics at the University of Miami, Moshfegh used the account for everyday transactions. All he had to do to maintain the account was show proof of legal residency every six months.

“I think it’s onerous, but I’d been doing it,” said Moshfegh, who has lived in the U.S. for the past seven years. He recently married an American.

That Thursday, Moshfegh went to his local branch near South Miami. He was told that the documentation he had provided could not be accepted. Bank officials insisted he produce a different form, according to Moshfegh. The bank was wrong, he maintains, because the form he had supplied was the correct one based on his current status as a student nearing graduation.

“This bank doesn’t know how the immigration system works, so they didn’t accept my document,” said Moshfegh, 36.

Locked out of his account, Moshfegh couldn’t pay his rent, which was due that week. Credit card payments were suddenly rejected.

His case isn’t unique. In recent months, Bank of America has been accused of freezing or threatening to freeze customers’ accounts after asking about their legal status in the U.S.. In July, the Washington Post reported that multiple customers had been locked out of their accounts after Bank of America questioned whether the account holders were U.S. citizens or dual citizens.

Josh Collins and his wife Jessica Salazar Collins of were notified by Bank of America that Josh, who was born in Wichita, had to prove his citizenship. They thought it was a scam until the bank cut off access to their assets.

According to the Post, Kansas-born Josh Collins received an unusual-looking letter purportedly from the bank asking about his citizenship status. He said he thought the mailer was spam and ignored it—only to have his account frozen a few weeks later.

After Collins’ story was first reported locally, he and his wife received messages from others who had been locked out of their accounts for weeks, the Post reported.

Tennessee native David Lewis says he received the same suspicious-looking letter as Collins. In an interview with the Miami Herald, Lewis said he has maintained an account with Bank of America for about 30 years. In the letter, the bank inquired about his citizenship, income, and social security number.

When he called Bank of America, he was told his account would be frozen if he did not fill out the forms. That phone conversation led him to cancel his account, he said. “One would think a national bank would be careful about looking stupid after Wells Fargo,” he said, referring to Wells’ having been accused of creating millions of unauthorized accounts.

Proof of citizenship is not required to open a bank account in the U.S., according to Stephanie Collins, a spokesperson for the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the federal agency that supervises branch banking. Banks are merely required to identify and report suspicious transactions and maintain and update customer information, she said. Banks have not received any new instructions to collect more information about customers.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#253675: Aug 31st 2018 at 12:27:02 AM

This is one of the reasons I don't take anyone who whines about "identity politics" whenever someone tries to discuss civil rights seriously. What else would you call the Southern Strategy which has informed GOP tactics ever since? That was blatant white identity politics.

Disgusted, but not surprised

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