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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#253526: Aug 29th 2018 at 11:04:53 AM

[up][up]Oh, agreed. But “call out culture” is typically about relatively clear cut stuff, like a celebrity or public figure using a slur, being dismissive about legitimate problems, dressing up in an insensitive or racist costume, etc.

Edited by wisewillow on Aug 29th 2018 at 2:04:35 PM

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#253527: Aug 29th 2018 at 11:08:35 AM

More evidence that millennials prefer authoritarianism over democracy: NBC News/GenForward survey says Millennials disillusioned about midterm elections

One telling bit: The candidate quality that matters most to millennials' vote in November is someone who can bring about change.

Given where all the European millennial votes are going right now (i.e. European far-right parties), I'm scared as hell.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#253528: Aug 29th 2018 at 11:10:09 AM

I'm hearing alot of news about more people voting for democrats.

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#253529: Aug 29th 2018 at 11:11:07 AM

[up]Mostly people of color and women. White millennial men, that's another story.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#253530: Aug 29th 2018 at 11:11:25 AM

Yeah, that doesn't seem to be reflected in the turnout for the special elections and all the other polls.

Oh really when?
Kakuzan Let memes die. Kill them, if you have to. from Knock knock, open up the door, it's real. Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#253532: Aug 29th 2018 at 11:17:36 AM

More evidence that millennials prefer authoritarianism over democracy: NBC Gen Forward survey says Millennials disillusioned about midterm elections

One telling bit: The candidate quality that matters most to millennials' vote in November is someone who can bring about change.

Given where all the European millennial votes are going right now (i.e. European far-right parties), I'm scared as hell.

Well, don't be. That's not what that article says at all, and you completely misinterpreted what it does say. The statistics cited in that article are overwhelmingly anti-Trump, pro-voting, and pro-Democrat. When millennials say that they want change, they don't mean "change from the current system of government" they mean "change from the atrocities of the Trump administration". They don't mean "we want authoritarianism because democracy has failed us" they mean "we want our democracy back".

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Aug 29th 2018 at 11:19:22 AM

Robrecht Your friendly neighbourhood Regent from The Netherlands Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Your friendly neighbourhood Regent
#253533: Aug 29th 2018 at 11:23:25 AM

Given where all the European millennial votes are going right now (i.e. European far-right parties), I'm scared as hell.

Erhm... Citation needed?

I mean, it's not like there are no Far-Right voting millennials in Europe (I'm unfortunate enough to have several in my own family), but you're probably misinterpreting the statistics here.

Millennials aren't overwhelmingly likely to vote far right, as a whole they actually skew significantly to the left. It's just that young, poorly educated middle- and working class males are more likely to vote for far right parties than older poorly educated middle- and working class males. (Who are more likely to vote for regular right wing parties instead).

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Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#253534: Aug 29th 2018 at 11:34:13 AM

[up]Need of Citation seconded.

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#253535: Aug 29th 2018 at 11:36:48 AM

Here's an Axios report from last year.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#253536: Aug 29th 2018 at 11:37:35 AM

Seen mostly traditional parties lose voters to the far-right, regardless of class.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#253537: Aug 29th 2018 at 11:41:56 AM

While I don't have time to do the whole WTF Just Happened Today feed at the moment, I feel compelled to post how they describe the millennial article that ~Mario 1995 posted.

poll/ 55% of voters under 30 say they plan to vote in the midterm elections, about 25% are unsure if they'll vote, and 19% say they will probably not vote. 60% of millennials have an unfavorable impression of the Republican party. 27% say they approve of the job Trump is doing. 44% of millennial voters have a favorable view of the Democratic party. (NBC News / Vox)

The NBC and Vox links:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/poll-millennials-disillusioned-about-midterm-elections-n904436

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/29/17795718/poll-millennial-young-vote-2018-midterms

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#253538: Aug 29th 2018 at 11:53:10 AM

Given the amount of guns in the United States currently and how entrenched they are in our culture and society, do you guys advocate education and instruction in guns in addition to harsher penalties to violent use of or possession of firearms in crimes, or straight bans on certain types of guns, like European countries?

What I’d like to see is a rating system for different areas on a scale of how urban to rural it is, with guns generally being easier to acquire in rural areas and harder in urban. (Because if your abusive, obsessed ex is pounding on the door while screaming threats and the nearest police station is half an hour away in a spread out rural area, or your kid isn’t answering you when you call them and you live somewhere where you can hear packs of coyotes howling every night, there is pretty good reason to want a means of self defense on hand.)

On top of that add in a lot of the standard liberal issues like universal background checks, a suspension of rights to buy or own guns for a time if a person is involved in criminal activity or domestic abuse, higher penalties for using a modified gun while committing a crime, (i.e you modded your semi-automatic to go full auto then used it in a shooting or robbery) universal registration of guns already in private collections and a requirement to document the transfer of ownership if you sell or give it away, mandatory professional training before getting a license to encourage things like safe handling and storage, etc.

Beyond that in terms of more technical stuff about guns, I’m not really educated or knowledgeable enough about the subject to say, so I’d defer to others for what should be the specific requirements for, say, safe storage and other issues.

I have absolutely no doubt that in our current climate it’s impossible, however. Too many single issue wonks on the subject, too many organizations that would subject any legislation to endless trivial lawsuits to challenge it on any issue or clause that they can argue is vague with a straight face, regressive judges who would throw any gun legislation out in a heartbeat, by simply saying “Second Amendment, yo” and so on to infinity.

What’s interesting is that the overwhelming majority of gun owners even want change, but NRA propaganda and fears of gun grabbing liberals means that they don’t trust anybody to actually do the things they want because of slippery slope fears and so on and so forth.

Eventually that impasse will break, (or at least gradually crumble) but I’ll be damned if I can see what would actually do it other than about 50 years of pressure on everything from societal attitudes to politicians to the judiciary.

Edited by TheWanderer on Aug 29th 2018 at 2:57:07 PM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#253539: Aug 29th 2018 at 12:33:46 PM

So remember when we were talking about Gillum's surprise victory? Seems his Republican opponent has responded.

Republican Ron DeSantis says electing black opponent Andrew Gillum would “monkey this up”

Y'know I'd call this a racist dogwhistle but it's more like a Trumpet.

Words can't properly express the rage I feel and my burning desire for De Santis to go in the electoral garbage can that he so deeply deserves.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#253540: Aug 29th 2018 at 12:34:42 PM

Could someone cite an American mass shooting that used illegally purchased weapons?
The closest that comes to mind is the Sandy Hook shooter, who stole his mother's legally purchased weapons. IIRC the Denver movie theater shooter was the same. But most of the spree shooters, like Las Vegas and the South Carolina church nazi, were legally purchased IIRC.
It would radically empower black democrats, the way to win back the south would be clear, you go black and you go hard.
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It occurs to me that still averages out to just shy of one shooting a month...
True, but by the definition, if the armed security guard drops their gun and it goes off and hits no one, that still counts as a "school shooting." It would be more useful if it also showed the number of people wounded and killed by firearms in those incidents.
That assumes Republicans in the Senate turn on him. Everything we've seen in the last year suggests that's not happening.
Republicans would rather turn against their moderates to toady up to Trump.
Let me translate: (white and/or male and/or straight and/or cis) people are mad to find out that supporting labor rights and healthcare doesn’t get you a pass to be racist, sexist, homophobic, or transphobic, and they are traumatized by disenfranchised people demanding basic human decency.
You mean, in an "if I support equal rights for women I should get a pass to be homophobic and hate Islam" kind of way?

And as an aside, if nothing else Mc Cain's death has given us some good comedy writing.

Edited by BlueNinja0 on Aug 29th 2018 at 12:38:00 PM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#253541: Aug 29th 2018 at 12:35:44 PM

[up][up]I saw that and thought to myself that, in any other context, I might have given the benefit of the doubt that it was just poor phrasing. Given that this is a Trump backed Republican, no benefits are being given.

Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 29th 2018 at 1:37:52 PM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#253542: Aug 29th 2018 at 12:38:18 PM

You mean, in an "if I support equal rights for women I should get a pass to be homophobic and hate Islam" kind of way?

Exactly. See: white feminists who ignore black and Latina women; gay men who are racist and sexist, etc.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#253543: Aug 29th 2018 at 12:43:45 PM

Honestly I've found that minority relation makes more sense if one keeps in mind that they're composed of a bunch of smaller groups who have no problem intrinsically with hating or discriminating against each other.

Hence why you could get black people voting for Trump, they're minorities but they also hate other minorities. Or they're just well off and greedy.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 29th 2018 at 3:43:27 PM

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#253544: Aug 29th 2018 at 12:46:08 PM

I've often found it naïve and, in a way, sort of offensive to just assume that being a part of being in a disadvantaged group means a person is going to be supportive of every other disadvantaged group.

It ironically comes off as a bit dehumanizing to not understand that oppressed people are perfectly capable of irrationally hating other human beings too.

Edited by LSBK on Aug 29th 2018 at 2:48:17 PM

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#253545: Aug 29th 2018 at 12:48:33 PM

higher penalties for using a modified gun while committing a crime, (i.e you modded your semi-automatic to go full auto then used it in a shooting or robbery)

We already have that specific penalty.

As far as safe storage, I’d go the Canada route and mandate guns be stored disassembled or with a key operating part removed. That’s worked fairly well for them.

They should have sent a poet.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#253546: Aug 29th 2018 at 12:50:17 PM

[up][up]Quite, the assumption that they're a monolithic group known as "minority" is deeply problematic and factually incorrect.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Kakuzan Let memes die. Kill them, if you have to. from Knock knock, open up the door, it's real. Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Let memes die. Kill them, if you have to.
#253547: Aug 29th 2018 at 12:50:26 PM

People often forget (or wilfully ignore) that even though one may fall outside of one privileged group, they more than likely fall into another one. It is why you have poor whites voting for Conservatives against their economic benefit.

Don't catch you slippin' now.
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#253548: Aug 29th 2018 at 12:52:06 PM

With DeSantis's "monkey" comment, have an NBC link.

"You know, he is an articulate spokesman for those far-left views and he's a charismatic candidate," De Santis said. "The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state. That is not going to work. That's not going to be good for Florida."

Of all the possible words in the English language he could've used there, "monkey" probably makes the least sense in this day and age... at least beyond being there as a dogwhistle.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#253549: Aug 29th 2018 at 12:54:17 PM

Coupled with talking about how Gillum is "articulate" I feel completely comfortable ruling out any poor word choice, this (unsurprisingly) was just racism pure and simple.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#253550: Aug 29th 2018 at 1:17:04 PM

So, this one guy on Game FA Qs is saying we'll never get Net Neutrality for decades once Kavanaugh almost certainly replaces Kennedy on the SCOTUS. Last I checked, though, doesn't the Supreme Court have no jurisdiction on whether Net Neutrality comes back or not and it's up to the FCC?


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