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That argument fundamentally misunderstands the mindset behind suicide, people don't engage in it because they want to die. They engage in it because it seems like the least awful choice, thus anything that stands in the way of it will reduce suicide rates because it's an intrinsically reluctant act.
But yes I agree that more research would be better regardless, it is deeply offensive and vile that there is a embargo on research for it.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 27th 2018 at 10:00:22 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangThere's a reason having guards and nets on bridges — heck, any minor obstacle to suicide really — seems to prevent suicides. A lot of times, that extra last minute hesitation caused by even the smallest obstacle is all it takes to get some people to decide not to go through with the suicide.
That's why a gun may be a suicide risk — it's a quick and easy method. But we probably need more indepth studies about this to confirm it. Studies which we are not allowed to do.
Edited by M84 on Aug 27th 2018 at 10:04:23 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedI have read in the past that the reason men, despite being less likely than women to attempt suicide, have a higher rate of actual suicide deaths is because men are more likely to use a gun to do it.
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Australia cut its suicide rate considerably when it put its buy-back scheme into action and reduced gun ownership in both rural and urban areas. <shrugs> I cannot remember the statistics off the top of my head, but I'm sure their studies are available, if anybody cares to dig even shallowly.
America is only unique in that it refuses to look enough to change towards what other people consider normal gun ownership and attitudes.
Indeed — our culture very much promotes the idea that mental health is a matter of willpower and personal moral worth, and it's a failure to ask for help rather than "tough it out". FYI: I'm not sold on the argument I mentioned, just noting that it's an obstacle we have to face.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Hopefully, those Democratic voters that complain the Democrats aren't doing enough, will see this list and realise they need to vote if they want the Democrats to do these things.
The question, however, is whether this spreadsheet was leaked with the hope of galvanising Republican voters to get out and vote to prevent this list from coming to pass.
I therefore assume that both the Republicans and Democrats are hoping their voters will be motivated by the list and that independents will vote for them (either because they want the list or want it opposed).
I wonder, however, whether it will have any effect at all.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading."Vote for us or the Democrats will come after us for all the horrible and criminal things that the White House has done" doesn't sound like a very compelling argument.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"His actual overall approval rating is around 44 percent, and a disapproval rating of 52.
x5-7 Although the propaganda would probably be more like "Vote for us so that the Demo(n)crats can't dismantle our government and our FREEDOM by coming after our FREELY AND LEGITIMATELY ELECTED OFFICIALS with this witch hunt!"
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Edited by Reflextion on Aug 27th 2018 at 12:32:10 PM
Someone did tell me life was going to be this way."U.S., Mexico reach NAFTA deal as pressure turns to Canada" - http://www.reuters.com/article/us-trade-nafta/u-s-mexico-reach-nafta-deal-as-pressure-turns-to-canada-idUSKCN1LC1E7
Also, from What The Fuck Just Happened Today:
Week of Aug 19 - 25: What We Learned in the Russia Probe
Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 27th 2018 at 11:13:12 AM
A couple of minutes ago, Trump tweeted this:
Meanwhile, this is going on:
Flags at White House return to full-staff after brief tribute to McCain
The flags at the White House were lowered Saturday night after Mc Cain’s death from brain cancer, but in a break with precedent, Trump did not issue a proclamation for them to remain there beyond the minimum period the law requires when a senator dies.
The move prompted fierce criticism from a leading veterans group and others who saw it as another slight from President Trump, who acknowledged Mc Cain’s death in a tweet on Saturday but did not issue a formal statement.
“By lowering flags for not one second more than the bare minimum required by law, despite a long-standing tradition of lowering flags until the funeral, the White House is openly showcasing its blatant disrespect for Senator Mc Cain’s many decades of service and sacrifice to our country as well as the service of all his fellow veterans,” AMVETS national executive director Joe Chenelly said in a statement.
U.S. code calls for flags to be lowered in the event of the death of a member of Congress “on the day of death and the following day.” But presidents have the power to issue proclamations extending that period and have done so routinely.
David Popp, a spokesman for Mc Connell, confirmed his involvement, saying it was a standard request when a senator dies.
Presidential historian Michael Beschloss called the return of flags to full-staff at the White House “sickening” during an appearance on MSNBC. Conservative commentator Bill Kristol, meanwhile, wrote on Twitter: “The White House is now an island of bitterness and resentment in a nation united in respect and appreciation.” Others on Twitter responded using the hashtag #No Respect.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 27th 2018 at 6:30:09 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Told you that Trump will find a way to shit all over McCain's death without being there in person.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Looks like none of the Arizona candidates are handling the McCain situation well.
Kelli Ward said McCain announcement about ending treatment was timed to hurt her campaign
"I think they wanted to have a particular narrative that they hope is negative to me," Ward responded, according to a screenshot posted by the The Arizona Republic.
The news broke that Mc Cain had died hours after Ward's comment. Ward's campaign did not respond to a request for comment on the Facebook post. On Monday, less than two days after Mc Cain died of brain cancer, Ward tweeted, "Political correctness is like a cancer!"
"I tweeted out my thoughts & prayers for" Mc Cain, his campaign account tweeted, and Cindy "BLOCKS me on twitter?"
Arpaio tagged Trump and several news outlets in the tweet.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 27th 2018 at 6:59:26 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.With Mc Cain out of the picture and Flake following him next year (they weren't/aren't great politicians by any extent, but they were far from the worst), the old saying that you can't spell crazy without R-AZ is becoming an outright fact.
Edited by Rationalinsanity on Aug 27th 2018 at 3:05:28 PM
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Even worse than that regarding the flags - at work, I got an email directing us to put it at half-staff, then an hour later another one notifying us that the order had been cancelled.
Seriously, fuck Trump and every ounce of malice he has, from the big stuff to the petty.
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"

The Devil's Advocate argument is that suicidal individuals will find a way to kill themselves with whatever comes to hand: guns merely make it easier. This is why we need more epidemiological studies of suicide rates compared to gun ownership... if the government weren't banned from conducting them.
Edited by Fighteer on Aug 27th 2018 at 9:55:41 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"