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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#253126: Aug 26th 2018 at 10:31:15 AM

In modern political discourse “liberal” and “progressive” are more or less interchangeable, with progressive recently being adopted to describe the left-most wing of the Democratic Party and liberal usually referring to party centrists. The historical definition of progressivism is very different, and not quite as rosy.

They should have sent a poet.
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#253127: Aug 26th 2018 at 10:45:11 AM

If we look at the early 1900s, historical progressivism would be lots of labor rights but also a lot of white supremacy except in limited pockets (like black union organizers fighting for labor rights since they weren’t allowed in most white unions).

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#253128: Aug 26th 2018 at 10:54:56 AM

"Socialism is the government taking care of you, communism is everyone being made equal."
While not an accurate definition, I do think it is an accurate indication of how socialism is now understood by many. The argument that "socialism is the government taking care of you" is certainly much easier to make when you can successfully argue that the position of its opponents is "the government would rather let you die."

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Lost in Space
#253129: Aug 26th 2018 at 11:33:23 AM

Or, "The government would rather you die so you stop wasting resources, you useless leech."

Although, to be "fair", that's not the actual position of the majority of conservatives, which lurch drunkenly among the following rough categories:

  • The government would rather you die so you stop wasting resources, you useless leech.
  • Poor people are fuel for our labor mills, just don't give them any uppity ideas about "welfare", "education", and "rights".
  • The government should support White Christians and everyone else can fuck off and die.
  • We're rich so we're the only important people, everyone else can fuck off as long as there's someone to drive our cars and shine our shoes.

Oh, and then there are hardcore Libertarians who are their own special brand of crazy, mixed with just enough ideas that sound sensible on first glance to be really attractive to some people.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 26th 2018 at 2:40:29 PM

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#253130: Aug 26th 2018 at 11:42:24 AM

Libertarians are grown-ass adults who never got over their rebellious teen phase.

"FUCK YOU GOVERNMOM YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO"

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#253131: Aug 26th 2018 at 11:46:11 AM

That's the irony because with the above Republican platform, why WOULDN'T they distrust it?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#253132: Aug 26th 2018 at 11:51:32 AM

So there's reports of a mass shooting in Florida.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#253135: Aug 26th 2018 at 12:00:47 PM

Since it was a Madden tournament, it was being streamed on twitch and part of it was caught on the stream until it got shut down.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#253136: Aug 26th 2018 at 12:17:26 PM

Damn. But I guess it was only a matter of time.

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#253137: Aug 26th 2018 at 12:52:56 PM

[up]I said the same thing.

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Imca (Veteran)
#253138: Aug 26th 2018 at 12:57:20 PM

LA Times is reporting the shooter was one of the players who lost.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#253140: Aug 26th 2018 at 1:19:14 PM

... Wait, so this guy was participating in a video game tournament, lost, and decided that the loss justified him taking a gun out and start killing people? Is that what you guys are saying??? That this mass shooting is the gun equivalent of a childish tantrum that happens when a gun-wielder decides to be a Sore Loser about a mere video game match?!

Edited by MarqFJA on Aug 26th 2018 at 11:22:53 AM

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#253141: Aug 26th 2018 at 1:20:00 PM

Who wants to bet Fox Pundits will blame video games for this? They are never above victim blaming.

Imca (Veteran)
#253142: Aug 26th 2018 at 1:22:15 PM

[up][up] Yes.

[up] I am not going to take that bet. :/

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#253143: Aug 26th 2018 at 1:22:45 PM

If Ron DeSantis and Rick Scott win, the Parkland movement will be classified as a failure.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#253144: Aug 26th 2018 at 1:23:01 PM

[up][up][up][up]Are you surprised? This is exactly the type of person responsible for most mass shootings.

Mass shootings are the equivalent of childish tantrums, except unlike a child rolling around on the ground crying, these are ending the lives of thousands and ruining the lives of others.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Aug 26th 2018 at 4:31:10 AM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#253145: Aug 26th 2018 at 1:23:12 PM

What a terrible reason to try to kill people sad

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PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#253146: Aug 26th 2018 at 1:24:06 PM

Terrible and extremely predictable.

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#253147: Aug 26th 2018 at 1:28:30 PM

At this point people going to go on a shooting spree because they step in gum on the sidewalk.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#253148: Aug 26th 2018 at 1:30:10 PM

I think it is too early to jump on rumours. Let's wait until there is some official statement.

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#253149: Aug 26th 2018 at 1:32:44 PM

Even if the shooter turns out not to be a losing contestant, the fact remains that this is what happens when you give guns to people that, for whatever reason, cannot manage their anger.

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