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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#253001: Aug 25th 2018 at 11:48:01 AM

This is the kind of thing that makes me think Democrats need to be nastier, louder, and harder.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#253002: Aug 25th 2018 at 11:52:56 AM

Democrats are going as hard as is legislatively possible, we've been over this.

Being nasty about it will change nothing and just give further fuel to the idea that both parties are the same, incorrect though the statement may be.

Oh really when?
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#253003: Aug 25th 2018 at 12:06:11 PM

I'm confused, which part of that of the voter suppression part?

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#253004: Aug 25th 2018 at 12:06:52 PM

The requirement to present photo ID to vote, then making the required forms hard for certain groups to get a hold of.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#253005: Aug 25th 2018 at 12:15:59 PM

Being nasty about it will change nothing and just give further fuel to the idea that both parties are the same, incorrect though the statement may be.

Oh yes, god forbid the Democrats worry about the butthurt feelings of Republicans who accuse them openly of being pedophiles.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#253006: Aug 25th 2018 at 12:17:28 PM

It's not about hurting Republican's feelings it's about throwing shit for absolutely no gain whatsoever besides to ease your personal frustrations.

Oh really when?
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#253007: Aug 25th 2018 at 12:17:31 PM

It's not the republicans, it's the people who aren't in either camp and barely pay attention.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#253008: Aug 25th 2018 at 12:22:56 PM

The argument there is that the Democrats gain from not calling the Republicans the poor hating murderers they are.

More than they gain from saying they're grandma murdering criminals.

Playing the adult in the room may not actually be any benefit at all but show Lawful Stupid rather than Lawful Good.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 25th 2018 at 12:22:48 PM

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#253009: Aug 25th 2018 at 12:23:12 PM

[up]x5 I meant between the site closing an dthe online resources thing.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Aug 25th 2018 at 3:22:53 PM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#253010: Aug 25th 2018 at 12:30:04 PM

[up]At least in Idaho, you still need to physically go to a dmv office to get a license. I did when I renewed mine last year.

So online resources don't help much there and potentially makes a trip to get a license or ID seem more trouble than it's worth.

[up][up] The problem is that dropping to the Republicans' level can present the equally bad image of Chaotic Stupid.

Nobody here cares about the Republicans, but if someone on the fence decided to vote R or not vote at all because such tactics present an entirely avoidable "both sides are the same" image, that's a loss nobody needs.

Stay the course and, at worst, nothing changes, but it might convince some of those fencers that the Democrats are different and worth voting for.

Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 25th 2018 at 1:34:02 PM

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#253011: Aug 25th 2018 at 12:51:23 PM

Oh yes, god forbid the Democrats worry about the butthurt feelings of Republicans who accuse them openly of being pedophiles. 

To be fair, the Democrats accuse Republicans of being pedophiles too. The difference is that the Republicans being accused actually are pedophiles.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#253012: Aug 25th 2018 at 12:52:16 PM

[up]Which is something that voters should know about.

It's not good politics not to mention the opponent murders babies in their basement...if they really do.

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Imca (Veteran)
#253013: Aug 25th 2018 at 1:19:09 PM

The thing is they do, and no one really cares because the republicans lie so much no one belives the dems either.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#253014: Aug 25th 2018 at 1:20:36 PM

Wasn't one of the reasons all the accusations against Roy Moore didn't sink him outright because people didn't actually believe the allegations were true to begin with?

Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 25th 2018 at 2:30:43 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#253015: Aug 25th 2018 at 1:22:43 PM

Yeah, people made it out to be like Republicans accepted he was a sexual predator and just didn't care, but it was more like the ones who were still voting for him didn't actually believe the stories were true. Which is a different, but still very serious issue.

And Republican turnout as I recall was pretty depressed from the whole thing, many a fair number did believe and thus didn't vote for him, even if they still didn't vote Democratic.

Edited by LSBK on Aug 25th 2018 at 3:22:34 AM

Imca (Veteran)
#253016: Aug 25th 2018 at 1:24:55 PM

[up][up] Yes.

Your avrage voter cant tell the diffrence between a democrat and a republican, so when one lies, it hurts the credibility of both.

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#253017: Aug 25th 2018 at 2:13:51 PM

Perosnly I’m for outright calling Republicans out on their policies that result in deaths, but that’s not the same as playing dirty or sinking to their level.

Also it has to work, remember that many voters are so convinced that both sides are similar and reasonable that they will deny that Republicans hold positions that they admit to, because such positions are monsterous and voters are told constantly that Republicans aren’t monsters.

The chance has to come from more that Democrats, it has to come from the media who have a vested interest in pretending that the Republican Party is largly made up of reasonable people presenting reasonable ideas.

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#253018: Aug 25th 2018 at 2:24:52 PM

[up] All media asides from openly right-wing ones are constantly calling Trump out on his bullshit, Fox News too when it's necessary, like the Helsinki Summit. If moderate voters still feel both parties are the same, it's the Democrats' fault and they need to step up their game.

Edited by Grafite on Aug 25th 2018 at 10:25:19 AM

Life is unfair...
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#253019: Aug 25th 2018 at 2:26:27 PM

If moderate voters still feel both parties are the same, it's the Democrats' fault and they need to step up their game.

...no, it's the voters' fault for not doing a bit of basic research into how politics actually work.

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Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#253020: Aug 25th 2018 at 2:32:05 PM

[up] They need to reach out, promote campaign ads which show the Republicans' dirty tricks, which there have been an astonishing number of this cycle. Or help them understand Trump isn't just some ordinary president, what with his attacks on his country's own institutions.

Example for everyone, Georgia counties polling places being pressured to close by GOP candidate for governor.

Edited by Grafite on Aug 25th 2018 at 10:42:52 AM

Life is unfair...
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#253021: Aug 25th 2018 at 2:34:54 PM

That's my issue.

If the Republicans are allowed to just get away with it, the moral high ground is just a ledge you're jumping off of.

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#253022: Aug 25th 2018 at 2:35:18 PM

It's rather inconvenient how most US news is now inaccessible from Europe because they would rather block the content entirely than avoid collecting data until they work out what to do.

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#253023: Aug 25th 2018 at 2:43:27 PM

[up][up][up]That doesn't change what I've said. Bothsidesism is an intellectually lazy frame of mind people take to because informing oneself on the policies of the Parties and their members and making a decision based on what you've learned is too hard for them. That's not Democrats' fault.

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#253024: Aug 25th 2018 at 2:44:57 PM

[up]Well said.

If the ignorant undecided voters (but I repeat myself) need to be led by the nose then that's one thing but to blame the Democrats is just egregious, the voters are responsible even if the party should never say as such.

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#253025: Aug 25th 2018 at 2:48:15 PM

It's not a moral highground, it's called not being an idiot.

Oh really when?

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