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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#252701: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:05:59 PM

An "unnamed candidate" you say? I knew Gary Johnson couldn't be trusted!

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Aug 21st 2018 at 6:08:00 AM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#252702: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:06:46 PM

Perfidious Libertarians! <shakes fist> tongue

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#252703: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:09:26 PM

As I understand it, those 10 charges being declared a mistrial means that the jury couldn't reach consensus and thus the prosecution will have to retry those 10 charges with a new jury.

The 8 charges Manafort was declared guilty on, however, are set in stone and will not be a part of any retrial. He can always appeal, of course.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#252704: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:12:19 PM

Well, how much of a punishment will he get?

Also, I really, really hope that someone will take the red button away should Trump search for a distraction….

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#252705: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:16:38 PM

Would starting a war even stop the investigation?

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#252706: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:17:09 PM

If there's nobody around to carry out the investigation, yes.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#252707: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:17:22 PM

8 felonies sounds like the kind of thing that you gets some hard time. Paul Manafort is 69, so if the judge goes for the higher end and makes some/all of the sentences consecutive, he could easily end up dying in prison.

[up][up]Barring America being totally occupied or human civilization imploding as we know it, no. Spoiler alert: neither of those are very likely.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Aug 21st 2018 at 6:22:56 AM

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#252708: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:17:39 PM

Geez you people and the war/nukes thing.

Oh really when?
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#252709: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:17:47 PM

[up]4x It might ramp it up, if anything.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Aug 21st 2018 at 5:17:25 AM

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#252710: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:18:11 PM

[up]x6 From what I've read, he can get up to 80 years for all the cases he's been found Guilty of.

Still, even with those mistrials, today's been a good day for Justice; especially with Cohen flipping and potentially (finally) revealing a serious-enough crime against Trump.

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Aug 21st 2018 at 5:17:53 AM

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#252711: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:21:11 PM

Still, even if iron hard proof against trump was exposed, I imagine he'd still get way scott free as thanks to the republican dominated congress.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#252712: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:22:18 PM

If nothing else, it adds substantial political taint to Trump and the GOP. These two were highly placed, and now they are convicted felons, and one of them admitted to breaking the law in relation to the campaign.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#252713: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:24:49 PM

To be shamed requires a sense of shame to begin with.

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#252714: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:29:50 PM

I think it is less about shaming them and more about coloring the public's perception of them.

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#252715: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:31:49 PM

Reminder that the Trump administration is set to put more tariffs on Chinese goods this week. This day of bad news for him could pressure him to go to outright bans on goods.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#252716: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:31:51 PM

The Trump electorate don't care because they're protecting America from the pedophile democrats and their EVIL.

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bitemytail Since: Dec, 2011
#252717: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:39:34 PM

It's worth noting that Trump may not want to pardon Manafort, if he's found guilty of anything related to Trump.

To accept a pardon, you must accept guilt for the crime you are being pardoned of. That admittance of guilt could bite Trump in return.

Edit: Here's the source for my claim: https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/236/79/

Edited by bitemytail on Aug 21st 2018 at 2:42:45 AM

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#252718: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:40:21 PM

Friendly reminder that Trump starting a new war or launching a nuke is incredibly unlikely.

They should have sent a poet.
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#252719: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:41:21 PM

[up]X3 That’s the Trump base, there’s a chunk of his electorate who are there for much more changeable reasons.

[up] Yeah while he may try it seems that the pentagon has perfected the art of “yes sir, very good sir, we just need that in triplicate with an additional signature from the secretary of defence and you to provide an in person briefing to the joint chiefs in two weeks to confirm all this”

Edited by Silasw on Aug 21st 2018 at 9:45:02 AM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#252720: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:47:42 PM

Again, can Trump pardon manafort to begin with?

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#252721: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:49:01 PM

Trump can't pardon any crimes which are state-based.

Which is what investigators charged them with so they couldn't be pardoned.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#252722: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:52:23 PM

Trump can, according to CNN none of the crimes he got convicted on fall under the state based category. And since none of the crimes he got tried or convicted on have anything to do with Trump, there is no other reason which might stay his hand either. Which is why I don't think that this is over.

Thus said, this was only the first trial. There is another one awaiting him.

Edited by Swanpride on Aug 21st 2018 at 2:52:34 AM

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#252723: Aug 21st 2018 at 2:57:12 PM

NVM, misread.

Edited by ViperMagnum357 on Aug 21st 2018 at 5:59:22 AM

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#252724: Aug 21st 2018 at 3:00:10 PM

Old news but Michael Moore, America's version of Chopper Reid in being a bullshit artist extraordinaire, is making a new film called, 11/9 on the 2016 Presidential election. However looking at the trailer this was worth noting.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/untitled_990.png

This proves beyond all doubt to me that some of the Trump fanatics, they will try and cause a war, there will be gun violence and if only in their eyes they are using this to hold America hostage, keep Trump as president or they will start gunning people down.

Now I don't want the police to go all Daniel Shaver or unarmed black man on these people but I sincerely hope some measure of gun control is exercised on whoever is expressing these thoughts.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#252725: Aug 21st 2018 at 3:09:26 PM

Still, even if iron hard proof against trump was exposed, I imagine he'd still get way scott free as thanks to the republican dominated congress.

This is technically true but practically irrelevant, if such hard proof were revealed before the midterms then it would vastly decrease the chances of Republicans holding onto their majorities and if it's revealed after the midterms then there is no guarantee (and quite a bit suggesting otherwise) that their majorities will still exist.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 21st 2018 at 6:12:52 AM

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