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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I'm not really sure "dirty" fits if what is being said is accurate.
I think a bigger issue is that when people see things like that they consider it unjust mudslinging, even if it's accurate.
That's a thing, I recall during the 2012 election many people, including Republicans, just straight up didn't believe the stated positions of Romney (and other Republicans) because they considered it too extreme and harmful. Reality Is Unrealistic in political form, if you will.
Some people on the right seem to think it's the opposite. I saw a right-winger on a Discord server once who claimed that they used logic instead of emotion like left-wingers.
They then proceeded to post a meme of a scary and angry screaming woman to "prove" their point. Because memes are so rooted in logic
Edited by BearyScary on Aug 12th 2018 at 9:53:29 AM
Do not obey in advance.I mean, everyone thinks their side makes sense otherwise they wouldn't be on that side.
It's just that when it comes to actual proof our side is objectively right much more often. But then comes the issue of them just rejecting evidence that goes against their point.
Which is also a very human thing that everyone does to some extent, everyone has a blind spot somewhere, but the right leans on it much more.
Edited by LSBK on Aug 12th 2018 at 12:58:04 PM
It's just that when it comes to actual proof our side is objectively right much more often. But then comes the issue of them just rejecting evidence that goes against their point.
It probably has a lot to do with the rising anti-intellectualism these days which seems to be born out of a growing resentment towards professionals of just about any field. That in turn is likely a consequence of the increasing cost to become a professional in a field like law or politics or medicine. Paying your way through college is so, so much harder now than it was even a decade or two ago.
Of course your worldview is going to be objectively wrong more often than not when a good chunk of it involves rejecting the findings of experts.
Not that leftwingers are innocent of this. Anti-vaxxers, homeopathy believers, etc.
Edited by M84 on Aug 13th 2018 at 2:18:46 AM
Disgusted, but not surprisedBrutal Honesty is not something we want from our politicians usually but I think the problem is the Democrats are softballing the Republicans rather than hardballing them.
And we've past the gentleman statesman period.
Good Is Not Nice is something we could use a bit more of because when you say, "This man will kill your grandmother" and "You will be homeless because he is starting a trade war we will LOSE" that needs to be hammered home rather than greeted with Fred Rogers optimism.
The Jedi should not say, "We respect freedom of religion" when the religion states, "We will enslave all non-force sensitives and exterminate the weak." Even if, normally, that's a good thing. In this case, sorry, but Chancellor Palpatine is just a bad President and his religious views are offensive to modern ethics and the Church of the Force (even if they support him).
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 12th 2018 at 11:52:04 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.We only want Brutal Honesty from our politicians until they say something we don't like.
Generally, we all like having someone be harsh when it comes to criticizing other people but insist they be nice and understanding when it's our turn.
As for that Star Wars example...it's also worth noting that Palpatine was guilty of far more than just being a Sith Lord. He also did plenty of actually awful stuff such as the entire war ravaging the Galaxy.
Disgusted, but not surprisedPolitico: Stephen Miller is an Immigration Hypocrite. I Know Because I’m His Uncle.
Oh dear.
"Yup. That tasted purple."You know, usually it is the other way around. The younger generation is supposed to tell the older one that they are backwards and need to let go of outdated ideas. What to do with a younger generation which decides to go backwards to an idealized idea of a time which was never so great to begin with.
Because this assumes that Republicans must immediately return to power exactly as power as before, which is frankly fallacious. They have a major generational problem with Millennials and I see no evidence that they're going to solve it overnight, not to mention that if the Democrats massive benefit from their unpopularity and Trump's awfulness (which is rather plausible) then we could strip away some of the mechanisms that they use to maintain their minority rule.
A Democratic Congress that can pass healthcare reform and other kinds of reform, and make Puerto Rico and DC states would have a demonstrable impact that I see no reason to assume the Republicans can just roll back.
Yes the Republicans will still be a problem but you seem to be treating that as the sole fact that matters when it absolutely isn't.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 13th 2018 at 9:37:10 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangFirstly no Millennials are the new generation of voters who are going to dominate the electorate, so you're wrong right off the bat. Secondly Generation Z are too young for anything to be seriously said of their political views, that's just the products of clickbait articles and hysteria that are never reliably sourced.
So this couldn't be more wrong, I'll believe claims of Conservative generation Z when I actually see credible evidence as they become politically engaged.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 13th 2018 at 10:17:52 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang@LSBK: Democrats ignore evidence almost as reliably as the GOP when it's inconvenient for them. This is particular true when it comes to economics*, and also crops up in numerous STEM fields (other than climate science) with the environmentalist wing of the party.
@spartan: It doesn't matter how progressive millenials or generation Z cohorts are if they aren't politically engaged, and so far neither is bucking the trend of declining political engagement (even adjusting for the tendency for voting to become more prevalent with age) over successive generations.
* Both parties are abysmal in this regards, and more prescient minds than our current leadership put many aspects of economic policy (in the form of the federal reserve) out of the reach of elected officials for this reason.
Edited by CaptainCapsase on Aug 13th 2018 at 10:42:55 AM
Millenials haven't been politically engaged because they've been younger, while Boomers were more reliable due to their age.
Obviously there are other demographic factors that influence turnout but it's hard to be politically engaged when your age demographic is disinclined to do that, hence why they will likely become more and more relevant
.
As my source shows I am highly skeptical that they actually are suffering from declining political engagement.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 13th 2018 at 10:43:10 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Okay, you're correct about that I misremebered my sources, but political engagement is still declining across the board, and we can be sure it will continue to do so as the GOP creates more and more structural barriers as a buffer against the rising Democrat leaning electorate. Then we have the matter of how skewed some electorates are. The senate has an electorate that is around 80% non-Hispanic white compared to ~62% in the general population.
Edited by CaptainCapsase on Aug 13th 2018 at 10:51:02 AM
Any discussion about democracy and how the US system works needs some basic agreements and I think we’re failing that here, trying to reach an agreement between people who belive in democracy and the existence of free will and people who think we need an authoritarian AI and that free will is a myth is an exercise in futility.
Edited by Silasw on Aug 13th 2018 at 3:01:53 PM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranFBI agent Peter Strzok fired over anti-Trump texts
Isn't it kind of remarkable that he kept his job for so long in the face of conservative rage? Then again, it was probably inevitable this would happen.
Edited by Mario1995 on Aug 13th 2018 at 11:12:39 AM
"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam GallagherIt gives the impression that the FBI can be coerced by enough yelling from the misinformed public, which is not a good thing.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

And more, "The Republicans want to kill your grandmother and they will."
While not inaccurate, that seems more like the kind of dirty tactics we're agreeing should be avoided.
Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 12th 2018 at 11:10:22 AM