TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

The General US Politics Thread

Go To

Nov 2023 Mod notice:


There may be other, more specific, threads about some aspects of US politics, but this one tends to act as a hub for all sorts of related news and information, so it's usually one of the busiest OTC threads.

If you're new to OTC, it's worth reading the Introduction to On-Topic Conversations and the On-Topic Conversations debate guidelines before posting here.

Rumor-based, fear-mongering and/or inflammatory statements that damage the quality of the thread will be thumped. Off-topic posts will also be thumped. Repeat offenders may be suspended.

If time spent moderating this thread remains a distraction from moderation of the wiki itself, the thread will need to be locked. We want to avoid that, so please follow the forum rules when posting here.


In line with the general forum rules, 'gravedancing' is prohibited here. If you're celebrating someone's death or hoping that they die, your post will get thumped. This rule applies regardless of what the person you're discussing has said or done.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#251176: Aug 5th 2018 at 10:27:15 AM

The isolationist wing would disagree with you.

I am not convinced that they have actual power, yes the pure interventionist neoconservative wing are more or less dead for now but Trump's isolationism seems more about trying to tear down international systems then actual isolationism.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 5th 2018 at 1:27:11 PM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#251177: Aug 5th 2018 at 11:15:35 AM

They have power enough to be part of what's fucking up the Republican coalition right now. I'm not talking about Trump (who's just a fuckup), I'm talking about Rand Paul and the Freedom Caucus, who do have influence over the defense budget and the power to insist on cuts or slower growth.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#251178: Aug 5th 2018 at 11:42:16 AM

[up][up] Trump isn't an isolationist, he's a revisionist, and the overall Trump administration's foreign policy is itself turning increasingly revisionist to match it.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#251179: Aug 5th 2018 at 1:16:52 PM

Yes, my dad's acquaintance specifically said he and quite a lot of other people from the South there had been sent there because they were "troublemakers" (read: low income, hostile to authority, or perceived nonconformity) and had a decidedly negative view of the local police. Whatever their feelings on segregation the general mood was hostile to law enforcement's treatment of locals as well as a "pick on someone your own size" mentality.

There were no split loyalties, though, and everyone was 100% on the federal government's side.

I wish I'd been paying more attention when my dad told me about this but it didn't seem as relevant when I was eleven.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 5th 2018 at 1:22:38 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#251180: Aug 5th 2018 at 1:53:37 PM

Umm...

Fake News reporting, a complete fabrication, that I am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, Donald, had in Trump Tower. This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics - and it went nowhere. I did not know about it!

Not if that person was a foreign national, trumpy. Keep trying though. (Adoptions, ha! More like a bunch of Desinformatizia to try to get them to remove Sanctions. They only offered the dirt when they didn't seem interested in that.)

Edited by megaeliz on Aug 5th 2018 at 5:01:19 AM

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#251181: Aug 5th 2018 at 1:57:39 PM

So, to be clear, he's not claiming that they're lying about whether or not the meeting took place, or about the content of the meeting. He's saying that they're lying about his comfort level with the whole thing.

Edited by Gilphon on Aug 5th 2018 at 4:57:47 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#251182: Aug 5th 2018 at 1:57:54 PM

This would be explosive were not the fact his followers are indoctrinated stormtrooper wannabes and no one will prosecute him for it.

Trump has confessed to many crimes before.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 5th 2018 at 1:58:44 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#251183: Aug 5th 2018 at 1:58:06 PM

[up][up][up] He's talking about his son Donald Trump Jr. and his meeting with a Russian representative back in 2016. Ignore this, I was responding to the post when it was just "Umm..." and the quote, thus assumed he was confused about what the hell Trump was talking about (specifically, why it seemed he was referring to himself in the third person).

[nja]'d

Edited by MarqFJA on Aug 5th 2018 at 12:00:57 PM

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#251184: Aug 5th 2018 at 1:58:56 PM

Trump isn't an isolationist, he's a revisionist, and the overall Trump administration's foreign policy is itself turning increasingly revisionist to match it.

Yes, my point was that he talked a big game isolationism wise but he immediately failed to live up to it.

Now maybe a future Republican President who's less moronic will be a proper isolationist but at the moment the isolationist wing seems marginal if not outright powerless.

(I want to make clear that I don't support isolationism and a isolationist President would be just as if not worse for America as Trump when it comes to foreign policy).

This would be explosive were not the fact his followers are indoctrinated stormtrooper wannabes and no one will prosecute him for it.

Sadly you're probably right, still at-least if this increases the chances of Democrats getting elected then they can do something about it.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 5th 2018 at 4:59:07 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#251185: Aug 5th 2018 at 2:04:56 PM

The Fake News hates me saying that they are the Enemy of the People only because they know it’s TRUE. I am providing a great service by explaining this to the American People. They purposely cause great division & distrust. They can also cause War! They are very dangerous & sick!

What's hilarious to me is that he is literally using Leninist rhetoric here (not that he or his supporters who parrot the line know that).

Edited by megaeliz on Aug 5th 2018 at 7:03:46 AM

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#251186: Aug 5th 2018 at 3:27:33 PM

purposely cause great division & distrust

Projection!

Edited by speedyboris on Aug 5th 2018 at 5:49:36 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#251187: Aug 5th 2018 at 4:33:41 PM

Stalin famously ordered Marx censored because he was annoyed at the "enemy of the people being those who use force and military power to coerce labor from the working classes."

Recently, I was reading an article about the State Department that they've basically started ignoring Trump's decrees and statements. They're just delivering a blanket, "US policy will continue as before." Trump never bothers to correct them and they go on as before.

I would think that would be an Onion article about any other president.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 5th 2018 at 4:35:11 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Imca (Veteran)
#251188: Aug 5th 2018 at 5:01:08 PM

What one is the state department?

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#251189: Aug 5th 2018 at 5:22:14 PM

Here's the New Yorker article about how Trump keeps changing things and they get changed behind his back (or more precisely aren't changed).

https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-trumps-washington/the-helsinki-summit-and-the-awkward-art-of-cleaning-up-trumps-messes

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#251190: Aug 5th 2018 at 6:46:47 PM

[up][up]State Department is diplomacy and foreign policy.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#251191: Aug 5th 2018 at 7:13:20 PM

Gotta hand it to Pompeo, that's a ballsy move. Good on him.

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#251193: Aug 5th 2018 at 7:51:46 PM

“You look at areas of the country that are really thriving — there’s a significant immigrant population,” he said. “We need to do a better job of attracting immigrants here. This place was built on immigrants.”

But Rothfus has also been outspoken on the importance of tighter border security. A few weeks after the chamber meeting, he voted for a bill that, had it passed, would have imposed tougher border measures and likely curbed legal immigration.

Gee, I wonder what the problem is.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#251195: Aug 5th 2018 at 9:56:44 PM

I try not to believe in hell but people like that very much make me want to.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#251196: Aug 5th 2018 at 11:04:35 PM

[up]Fuck, I envy (principled and decent) religious people because of their belief in Hell. Must be nice to have a firm belief that, no matter what, the wicked will eventually be called to account for their actions and be punished accordingly.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#251197: Aug 5th 2018 at 11:32:55 PM

It certainly gets me through the day knowing that even if these sorry excuses for human beings get away with everything in life, they will receive their just desserts afterward. Of course it would be nice to see them get punished while still alive, but we don't live in a perfect world.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#251199: Aug 6th 2018 at 4:21:52 AM

My favorite, deeply vindictive curse for people like that is “May God show you all the empathy and compassion which you have shown to others.”

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#251200: Aug 6th 2018 at 4:31:08 AM

Hell may not exist but at-least by making a more tolerant and inclusive society we can turn the nation into their personal hell.

While also helping minorities! It's a win-win.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang

Total posts: 417,856
Top