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Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#251151: Aug 4th 2018 at 8:26:10 PM

It's impossible to crack down on uncontrolled guns in America, short of a constitutional amendment. Courts have consistently been taking a very broad reading of the 2nd

Imca (Veteran)
#251152: Aug 4th 2018 at 8:28:33 PM

Which is dumb, because the 2nd amendment itself includes the words "WELL REGULATED"

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#251153: Aug 4th 2018 at 8:33:11 PM

But really, 'the Democrats don't care about Gun Control!' is a new one, to me.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#251154: Aug 4th 2018 at 8:48:02 PM

Heck, the #1 reason my senators (Feinstein and the retired Barbara Boxer) have been consistently bashed for was their outspoken advocacy for gun regulation.

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#251155: Aug 4th 2018 at 9:13:01 PM

Is it accelerationist to say that we might need a wave of terror to get Democrats to get off their collective arse about gun control and start enforcing registration and licensing?

Because I'm sadly not seeing a Democratic Party that's willing to crack down on uncontrolled guns (which are needed to commit mass shootings) short of something like that.

It's almost as if they're not in control of the government right now.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#251157: Aug 4th 2018 at 10:10:46 PM

I think the Democrats have been calling for better gun control, but like was just said, they're not exactly in control of the government right now. And even if the NRA is going broke, it's going to take a while to wrest the cultural control from them.

Also, yes, it is accelerationist. Disgustingly so. We should not be hoping for things to get worse just so our favored politicians will be motivated to do something.

Edited by AceofSpades on Aug 4th 2018 at 12:13:12 PM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#251158: Aug 4th 2018 at 10:14:07 PM

It is highly unlikely that the NRA is going broke. I looked at those reports, it isn’t that they are low on money exactly, it’s that they are having trouble with business is not wanting to work with them so that they can access and use that money. Also, it’s in their favor to use the wounded gazelle gambit when pleading in that sort of court document. Plus I’m sure they’re trying to get a fundraising boost.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#251159: Aug 4th 2018 at 10:54:21 PM

I used to be somewhat ambivalent about it because I grew up in a gun culture but the casual brutality, complete indifference in Washington, and numerous terrorist attacks have convinced me I was deeply wrong.

Mind you, I also have the Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking thing of being pissed off they've ruined thoughts and prayers.

Because what DO you say when you can't do something in real life but want to know you're thinking of them? I was irritated as fuck because I needed to say something to a friend of my mother's who just got ALS.

It now sounds insincere.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 4th 2018 at 10:54:04 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#251160: Aug 5th 2018 at 12:11:01 AM

Which is dumb, because the 2nd amendment itself includes the words "WELL REGULATED"

No, you see, when it says well regulated it doesn't actually mean that there need to be regulations or something.

Either way we're just generally not allowed to mention that bit because it's inconvenient to the narratives.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#251161: Aug 5th 2018 at 12:13:35 AM

The general response is usually "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!"

Of course, not all rights are absolute (indeed, it seems most of them aren't), and even then if applied fairly equating "regulation" with "infringement" sounds like missing the point.

Edited by LSBK on Aug 5th 2018 at 2:13:52 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#251162: Aug 5th 2018 at 12:17:56 AM

...Yes, it's accelerationist to hope for more terrorist attacks and mass shootings. And that's ignoring that the Democratic Party is in no position to enact gun regulation.

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KnightofLsama Since: Sep, 2010
#251163: Aug 5th 2018 at 12:30:53 AM

Ben Carson is a brilliant neurosurgeon who, if he never entered politics would probably be one of the most accomplished men in his profession. Certainly, a man with a legacy greater than the joke his name has become in many circles.

You are talking about Ben "The pyramids were grain silos" Carson? He destroyed any chance he had of being taken seriously in the wider community and poured his respect and dignity down the drain during the primaries. He's not a case of someone brought low by his association by the Trump administration, he's the bottom of the barrel that they're scraping.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#251164: Aug 5th 2018 at 12:32:00 AM

I'd argue he's a case of the Peter Principle and a demonstration an expert in one field is not necessarily one in another. Mind you, I'm not sure how a man can actually perform brain surgery and say the idiocy he does.

But yes, Ben's entire political career has been a embarrassment of epic proportions.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 5th 2018 at 12:32:31 PM

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#251165: Aug 5th 2018 at 12:37:53 AM

Going back a couple of pages:

I think it is possible that Billy Bob and Rube and Gomer and Cleatus and Innis will form a pro Trump militia and think their precious AR-15s will stand against SEAL Team Six and A-10 attack drones and Raptor fighters. It will be a Curb-Stomp Battle but I genuinely believe some will try, just not well.

They also labour under the assumption that as soon as they start anything the entirety of the US Military will all simultaneously mutiny and join them.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#251166: Aug 5th 2018 at 12:51:35 AM

It's a weird bit of American history that the President deploying troops to enforce his edicts on civilians as well as local law enforcement was one of the greatest triumphs for equality in the country's history.

Also, according to my dad, who knew troops involved, how quite a few were eager to fight with the police.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 5th 2018 at 12:53:59 PM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#251167: Aug 5th 2018 at 1:08:35 AM

“It's a weird bit of American history that the President deploying troops to enforce his edicts on civilians as well as local law enforcement was one of the greatest triumphs for equality in the country's history.“

I fucking know right ?

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#251168: Aug 5th 2018 at 5:03:57 AM

[up][up] Unfortunately, there are some (actually, a whole freaking lot) of people in this world who simply cannot be good to other people unless someone has a gun pointed at them (whether proverbial or literal).

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#251169: Aug 5th 2018 at 8:37:54 AM

The Democrats, as a whole, are the party of government. And it's hard to run a government when your citizens are getting murdered. They have different lines in the sand, but they all have lines. Off the top of my head, Connor Lamb specifically said that he didn't want to ban guns, but that he was for longer waiting periods, reducing the number of assault rifles, and so forth. So there's a lot of threading the needle.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#251170: Aug 5th 2018 at 9:02:46 AM

@Charles Phipps: The troops were eager to get into conflicts with the police, you mean? (A little drowsy ATM, trying to figure out what you mean)

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fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#251171: Aug 5th 2018 at 9:19:14 AM

[up][up] Even if they wanted to, saying you want to ban guns is political suicide.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#251172: Aug 5th 2018 at 9:23:33 AM

Unfortunately, there are some (actually, a whole freaking lot) of people in this world who simply cannot be good to other people unless someone has a gun pointed at them (whether proverbial or literal).

Anyone who's worked retail for more than 20 minutes knows this for sure. There are so many people who are pointlessly cruel and petty even though it causes them so many problems to be like that. The Republican party has ended up tapping into that impulse specifically. A lot of people are...not able to be convinced because they specifically go for the party that lets them be cruel to those they don't like without reason.

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#251173: Aug 5th 2018 at 9:24:35 AM

A lot of it is also that they lack power in their daily lives and take what little power they do have and run with it.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#251174: Aug 5th 2018 at 9:51:37 AM

The Democrats, as a whole, are the party of government. And it's hard to run a government when your citizens are getting murdered. They have different lines in the sand, but they all have lines. Off the top of my head, Connor Lamb specifically said that he didn't want to ban guns, but that he was for longer waiting periods, reducing the number of assault rifles, and so forth. So there's a lot of threading the needle.

Very true, though I will point out that the Republicans are just as much the part of government. They just want a strong security state and powerful military to enforce cultural values domestically and internationally.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#251175: Aug 5th 2018 at 10:24:44 AM

[up]The isolationist wing would disagree with you.


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