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#251126: Aug 4th 2018 at 4:47:49 PM

A sustained campaign of domestic terrorism is a realistic risk, a civil war is not.

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#251127: Aug 4th 2018 at 4:49:09 PM

More like survival of the common sense

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#251128: Aug 4th 2018 at 4:49:41 PM

[up][up][up]I'm not sure anymore.

[up][up]We'll see. I'd like to be proven wrong, but remember who these people are, what they do to people they see as "enemies" and why.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Aug 4th 2018 at 7:51:34 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#251129: Aug 4th 2018 at 4:52:56 PM

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Kirk: Let them die!

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fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#251130: Aug 4th 2018 at 4:55:12 PM

I can definitely see some las-vegas style massacres occurring in the aftermath of trump losing in 2020. It wouldn't be a civil war, but it would be a shitload of death aimed squarely at marginalized people.

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#251131: Aug 4th 2018 at 4:59:37 PM

The only way we get an actual Civil War is if the military somehow gets divided enough between right and not-right factions that they go violent.

Otherwise domestic terrorism is a real possibility, especially if someone genuinely left-wing gets elected.

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#251132: Aug 4th 2018 at 5:03:08 PM

Would Trump have the gall to prevent the secret service from guarding the opposing candidate if he was able? I know Obama got protection earlier than most.

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#251133: Aug 4th 2018 at 5:03:13 PM

Doesn't an civil war takes, you know, guns, ammo coordination, and people that can stand up to the United States Military?

Absolutely, they do not have the numbers or firepower to start a civil war.

On the other hand a campaign of domestic terrorism is rather less implausible, still thankfully the FBI and affiliated agencies are very good at clamping down on domestic terrorists.

Would Trump have the gall to prevent the secret service from guarding the opposing candidate if he was able? I know Obama got protection earlier than most.

I'm not sure that's something he can do, he probably would if he could but I doubt he can.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 4th 2018 at 8:03:28 AM

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#251134: Aug 4th 2018 at 5:04:29 PM

I really don't see how this stuff is worth killing random people. It's an excuse to be angry, but what good does slaughtering the people who barely have anything to do with politics?

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#251135: Aug 4th 2018 at 5:04:47 PM

[up][up] They have a less-than-stellar reputation for taking down white domestic terrorists. Then again, Trump has pissed them off...

[up] LIBRULZ BAD!!!!!!!!!!! that's the reason.

Edited by fruitpork on Aug 4th 2018 at 8:06:58 AM

CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#251136: Aug 4th 2018 at 5:05:53 PM

[up]x8 They are only about a quarter of the country. We outnumber them. 75% > 25%.

Edited by CookingCat on Aug 4th 2018 at 5:05:54 AM

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#251137: Aug 4th 2018 at 5:11:53 PM

[up][up][up]Like I said, these people are beyond reason. There is no use trying to apply logic the actions, real, imagined, or hypothetical, to an illogical people.

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#251138: Aug 4th 2018 at 5:11:55 PM

They have a less-than-stellar reputation for taking down white domestic terrorists. Then again, Trump has pissed them off...

True but that's because they've been hindered by political actors, if Trumpists were launching a campaign of domestic terrorism I'm fairly comfortable in assuming that they would smash them.

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#251139: Aug 4th 2018 at 5:12:48 PM

I’ll point out that while civil war is a non-starter insurgencies have proven able to resist any amount of military might. Given the number of die-hard crazies who have thrown their lot in with Trump I wouldn’t be surprised to see some things like that wildlife reserve occupation a while back.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#251140: Aug 4th 2018 at 5:14:56 PM

I actually fairly optimistic about this rather than the reverse. The desperation, anger, and perversity of the whole Trumpist seig heiling and indoctrination is due to the fact they understand (at least on some level) this whole thing is a dumpster fire.

So they're doubling down but double of zero is still zero.

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#251141: Aug 4th 2018 at 5:15:01 PM

Hell part of why they haven’t been smashed is because of the fear of domestic terrorism, if that happens anyway that the fear is gone.

My biggest worry remains what Trump will be as a lame-duck, be it in 2020 or 2024, he’s exactly the kind fo spiteful asshole to literally take a shit on the resource desk so as to gross out the next president. Like I expect the secret service to stop him literally setting fire to the place, but anything below that us on the table.

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#251142: Aug 4th 2018 at 5:15:09 PM

[up][up][up]Eh, they can resist military might but they don't have to.

The Klan was rather effortlessly crushed by the US army and I imagine a hypothetical Trumpist insurgency would face the same fate.

Generally unpopular domestic insurgencies get put down relatively quickly.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 4th 2018 at 8:14:48 AM

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#251143: Aug 4th 2018 at 5:16:29 PM

Domestic insurgancies like and die by the favour of the local civilian population, with local support they can go on for decades hiding out in the woods and being fed by sympathisers, without support they die quicker than a mayfly.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#251144: Aug 4th 2018 at 5:19:18 PM

I don't see an insurgency.

I grew up in a land of militias and the general fact is with a militia you have charismatic leaders on the ground and organization. They also don't ally with one another because they're effectively cults (and sometimes are ALSO a literal cult).

None of these people actually are going to cooperate and get organized to support Trump militarily because there's only a general feeling of Trump adoration not actual organization.

I do expect lots of lone actor terrorism when (not if) Trump falls.

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#251145: Aug 4th 2018 at 5:25:32 PM

[up][up][up] It really depends on the situation. I doubt we could repeat what happened with the Klan today, if only because the way insurgencies conduct business has changed radically.

I wouldn’t expect a full-blown organized insurgency, rather a few militia type groups doing their own thing in and around broadly friendly areas.

Edited by archonspeaks on Aug 4th 2018 at 5:25:57 AM

They should have sent a poet.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#251146: Aug 4th 2018 at 6:13:32 PM

I think just about every member of Trump's cabinet is an interesting story about their Faustian Bargain and Deal with the Devil.

Ben Carson is a brilliant neurosurgeon who, if he never entered politics would probably be one of the most accomplished men in his profession. Certainly, a man with a legacy greater than the joke his name has become in many circles. Now he's an appointee for a cabinet position he's utterly unqualified for and unlikely to lead anywhere else.

And now he's stuck with this as his legacy.

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fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#251147: Aug 4th 2018 at 6:27:16 PM

Yeah I don't even see an insurgency, just a few independent nutjobs with a whole lotta guns doing "small" terrorism incidents with deaths in the tens or hundreds (again like Las Vegas) rather than the thousands.

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#251148: Aug 4th 2018 at 6:32:04 PM

[up][up][up]That's fair, even a Trumpian insurgency is frankly unreasonably unrealistic. A upswing of domestic terrorism is more likely, which would not a pose a major threat to the nation but would still regrettably cost lives.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#251149: Aug 4th 2018 at 8:05:06 PM

Is it accelerationist to say that we might need a wave of terror to get Democrats to get off their collective arse about gun control and start enforcing registration and licensing?

Because I'm sadly not seeing a Democratic Party that's willing to crack down on uncontrolled guns (which are needed to commit mass shootings) short of something like that.

Edited by Ramidel on Aug 4th 2018 at 7:06:39 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#251150: Aug 4th 2018 at 8:12:56 PM

The Democratic Party is one I constantly shit on in my posts but in their defense, they're getting Batmanned here.

Basically, everyone is blaming them for not doing anything about X and Y.

When, again, they WANT to but the Joker (Republican Party) and Bane (Alt-Right) are fucking it up for them.

It's not on them.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 4th 2018 at 8:14:46 AM

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