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DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#250801: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:14:27 AM

Doesn't Prosperity Gospel kind of grow from TULIP and predestination? I was under an impression that the "wealthy people are more religious and more favored by God" thing dates as far back as Jamestown.

The kind of idea that if you're succeeding it's because God favors you, and if you're failing it's because God is punishing you, actually goes all the way back to 2nd Temple Judaism; it's part of the reason why Jesus helping the poor, disabled and lepers was so controversial with the various Judaic groups at the time, because Jesus was actively helping those that God was punishing for their sins.

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Jul 31st 2018 at 10:14:09 AM

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A procrastination in of itself
#250802: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:25:04 AM

Yeah the prosperity gospel as a concept pre-dates the gospel.

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SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#250803: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:28:53 AM

Well, there was a reason why a snowflake named Martin Luther felt the need to nail his unwanted, radical opinions on a church door, disrespecting a holy place in the process.

Really? So are you just gonna ignore every legitimate grievance Luther had with the Catholic Church?

Regardless, this conversation probably doesn't fit here, but it's ridiculous that we're still seeing this line of thought about Luther's intentions in this day and age.

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#250804: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:33:38 AM

Really? So are you just gonna ignore every legitimate grievance Luther had with the Catholic Church?

Regardless, this conversation probably doesn't fit here, but it's ridiculous that we're still seeing this line of thought about Luther's intentions in this day and age.

I think that whole shpeal about Luther's "unwanted, radical opinions" was meant to be sarcasm. She's calling out the way people treated Luther's grievances then as a contrast against how we see him today.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 31st 2018 at 8:36:25 AM

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#250805: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:35:37 AM

[up][up] Pretty sure that's the joke, they're using standard right-wing language and applying it to Luthor here.

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A procrastination in of itself
#250806: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:36:14 AM

I was certainly taking that as sarcasm.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#250807: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:38:56 AM

[up] Same. Not that people don't have legitimate grievances about the guy, mind.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Jul 31st 2018 at 4:40:41 PM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#250808: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:41:39 AM

Trump is now echoing Rudy's early assessment that collusion isn't a crime (but only the Democrats do it anyway).

Now, if he didn't commit it, why would he be ranting about that?evil grin

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/31/politics/trump-koch-brothers/index.html

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#250809: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:45:23 AM

From "I didn't do anything wrong!" to "What I did wasn't wrong!"

I'm waiting for Part III, "But Hillary!"

Edited by Parable on Jul 31st 2018 at 9:45:49 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#250810: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:46:10 AM

The kind of idea that if you're succeeding it's because God favors you, and if you're failing it's because God is punishing you, actually goes all the way back to 2nd Temple Judaism; it's part of the reason why Jesus helping the poor, disabled and lepers was so controversial with the various Judaic groups at the time, because Jesus was actively helping those that God was punishing for their sins.
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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#250811: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:50:27 AM

[up][up]Seriously, is this a confession of sorts?

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#250812: Jul 31st 2018 at 8:42:16 AM

I think he's just cycling through his mantras to throw people off.

NO COLLUSION! > BUT HILLARY/HER EMAILS! > COLLUSION IS NOT A CRIME! [Repeat ad nauseam]

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#250813: Jul 31st 2018 at 8:48:28 AM

I think it's less cycling and more the natural progression of things, "no collusion" only remained viable for so long so as more information is revealed they've adjusted their message to compensate.

It's both infuriating and hilarious.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#250814: Jul 31st 2018 at 8:49:20 AM

Ooookay….I have a question…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IbT9j30TtM

Is he serious? I am honestly confused if that is supposed to be a spoof or a very awkward attempt at butt kissing...

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#250815: Jul 31st 2018 at 8:52:53 AM

Well that's... something.

I'm fairly sure it's a spoof.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jul 31st 2018 at 11:55:11 AM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#250816: Jul 31st 2018 at 8:55:53 AM

What is it? (Not in a position to click and the rules prefer links have context anyway)

eyebones Since: Apr, 2004
#250817: Jul 31st 2018 at 8:58:52 AM

Satire or not hinges on if that is De Santis. Looks like him, but it is hard to tell. Fox seems to think it is legit. For strange values of "legit."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/31/ron-desantis-teaches-his-kids-about-trump-in-campaign-ad.html

Edited by eyebones on Jul 31st 2018 at 10:59:19 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#250818: Jul 31st 2018 at 9:05:18 AM

Everyone seems to think that the ad is legit...

I mean, really?

(For context, it is an ad campaign which sounds like a SNL sketch).

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Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#250819: Jul 31st 2018 at 9:28:33 AM

Doing it properly:

It's an Ad for Ron Desantis who's running as Governor for Florida, where is wife explains he's not just pro-Trump, he's so much more. Cue showing his little daughter how to read with a MAGA ad, his baby in a MAGA outfit and the like.

Basically, Ron Desantis is not just Pro-Trump, he's Plus Ultra Trump.

It's oh so very Narm.

Sadly, I think its serious.

Edited by 3of4 on Jul 31st 2018 at 6:28:27 PM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#250820: Jul 31st 2018 at 9:30:32 AM

Dragging his own kids into this?

That's all kinds of wrong.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#250821: Jul 31st 2018 at 9:40:14 AM

I am not sure what is worse...him building a wall with his kids or him reading Trump's book as a bedside story, explaining that "you're fired" is his favourite part.

I mean..I just...I honestly first thought that it was a spoof, or the clever attempt of a republican candidate to distance himself from Trump in a way that actual Trump supporters don't notice that they are made fun of. But if this is serious...heaven help!!! And someone call child protection!

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#250822: Jul 31st 2018 at 9:42:02 AM

Oh, it's very serious. Check out his political positions on his Wikipedia article, it's literally a "Well, of COURSE." checklist in light of this video.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#250823: Jul 31st 2018 at 9:47:17 AM

So here's one I'm getting conflicting reports over. Apparently the Koch brothers funded a study into the Medicare-for-all idea, and while the study itself states that it'd increase Federal healthcare spending by $32.6 trillion between 2022 and 2031, it reportedly also says that it would decrease the overall spending by $2 trillion (though I haven't seen a time period attached to that figure).

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#250824: Jul 31st 2018 at 9:52:30 AM

It was mentioned earlier, though with Jacobin as the source. It did have a link to the report directly, which has been linked last page or so

Edited by sgamer82 on Jul 31st 2018 at 10:52:24 AM

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#250825: Jul 31st 2018 at 9:54:05 AM

[up]x2 Yikes, though; an increase in spending by $30T. I know it's possible to afford that, but it'd take a lot of taxing and cutting in other areas to actually afford it. Still, Medicare for all would be a positive for society even with this additional debt, I'd just prefer it be paid for...


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