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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
You would think Objectivism should have been already discredited as a ideology, and tbf, there is a lot of pushback against it
But then you see what’s out in real life of Objectivism supporters and shake your head. It’s like there’s no middle ground, because you have the firm believers and then the people who know what’s wrong with it and call it out.
Only books I’ve read were Anthem, and The Fountainhead. Anthem as a story is okay, and it probably helps you can twist the interpretations to go away from Objectivist whatever and make it generic individuality and authenticity in a stifling society.
Fountainhead less so. I remember thinking it was a cool story as a sophomore in high school, mostly for character exploration and some statements about art but then forgot about it until I spent more time online during later years and seeing the criticism of the stories, philosophy, and author and realizing wow, this person and what she came up with is pretty terrible.
Never read Atlas Shrugged, and I can see I didnt miss out on much and lol’d at shitposts about John Galt and that infamously winded speech. It’s funny to me, the title is actually kind of cool, shame it’s too connected with that crap.
The French translation is simply called la grève ("the strike", as in "on strike").
(Edit: misread your comment on the title)
Pronoun note: I tend to default to male too, doesn't help that my native language lacks neutral pronouns altogether.
Edited by Medinoc on Jul 30th 2018 at 8:52:58 PM
"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."You know...I used to by blissfully unaware of Aryn Rand. She just didn't play any role whatsoever in my education. The first time I learned about her was when someone complained about The Incredibles endorsing objectivism (it doesn't, btw, but that's another conversation). Ah, ignorance is a bliss.
Honestly, I don't get how anyone can take this drivel even serious.
I read Anthem in school, and it's not nearly as wrong as some of the others I've heard about. It's a short story with a plot that is basically: "man and woman live in dictatorship. Man and woman escape and build a log cabin on a mountain somewhere and have lots of children and live full lives".
I remember thinking that it felt like an unfinished story, like they needed to go back and free all the other people who were slaves to the dictatorship, me not being aware that was entirely the point: that the main characters were the strong ones for escaping and fuck all those other weaklings.
A lot of what Ayn Rand wrote makes a lot more sense when you learn that she once idolized and sympathized with a child murderer, William Edward Hickman. This is the kind of human being Ayn Rand was.
Seriously, the more you learn about her, the more grotesque she and her "philosophy" (and by extension those who follow it) are.
Edited by M84 on Aug 1st 2018 at 3:43:27 AM
Disgusted, but not surprisedam afraid to ask but...what is the Prosperity Gospel?
Yeah, as European, I also got the impression that Aryn Rand is mostly an American thing. But then, we tend to have a natural mistrust against any "philosophy" which casts certain people as "better" than others. It's the voice of experience speaking.
If I recall correctly, the short version basically is: The wealthier you are the more favoured by God you are.
It's a complete perversion of Jesus message, to say the least.
Wikipedia has a long article on it
.
Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Jul 31st 2018 at 10:23:58 AM
We learn from history that we do not learn from historyCalvinism has something similar IIRC, basically saying that if you meet success in life it's a possible sign you are among those predestined to be saved. Mind you, this was kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy, as working hard to become successful was still the ideal.
Prosperity Gospel comes off as a highly oversimplified measure of faith, from a piece of theology that is pretty controversial anyway. Although further analysis might be better served in the religion thread.
Edited by TerminusEst on Jul 31st 2018 at 2:07:58 AM
Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele"Why Calvinism is garbage" talk to the theology thread, please!
To be honest, America has a profusion of both secular and religious ideologies that amount to circling the wagons in the face of modernity. Prosperity gospel wasn't originally this; it was originally a con job from the '50s that ended up getting sucked into the Nixon Revolution's new coalition of deplorables.
Trump isn't very pleased with the Koch brothers, and the feeling is mutual.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/31/politics/trump-koch-brothers/index.html
@Pushover Media Critic: Actually at the end of Anthem the hero does state the intention of bringing some of the others out. Being a Randian hero the rescuees are limited to those he considers worthy but still.
There is a meme btw that Anthem is a sequel to Atlas Shrugged. Not in RL since Anthem was written and published first but in my head canon it's so.
Trump delenda est

I sometimes default to using male pronouns towards others as well.
Edited by BearyScary on Jul 30th 2018 at 8:55:45 AM
Do not obey in advance.