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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#250601: Jul 29th 2018 at 11:58:04 AM

Apparently alot of confirmed neo-nazis and white supremacists are running or ballot and winning, really hope that Blue Wave is still coming!

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#250602: Jul 29th 2018 at 11:58:59 AM

Any particular examples outside of that guy in Illinois?

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#250603: Jul 29th 2018 at 12:21:45 PM

It's disappointing, a few years ago openly running as a neo-nazi or otherwise racist would have been political suicide but now thanks to Trump that behavior is starting to become normalised and even successful.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#250604: Jul 29th 2018 at 12:25:13 PM

~Kaiseror

I ask again, where is it being successful? The only active, open Nazi I know is Arthur Jones in Illinois, and he only succeeded because he was the only Republican candidate and the party did nothing to actually stop him.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jul 29th 2018 at 1:29:05 PM

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#250605: Jul 29th 2018 at 12:37:11 PM

I've seen an article on the south china morning post, is that a reliable news source?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#250606: Jul 29th 2018 at 12:40:44 PM

I am strongly inclined to say "no". If nothing else that's not a source regularly used in this thread which makes it dubious at face value, plus I'd to hear a specific example, or even a link to the article itself, before deciding any kind of panic mode is worth entering.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jul 29th 2018 at 1:46:49 PM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#250607: Jul 29th 2018 at 12:45:31 PM

There's a Vox article about White nationalists running, so it's not just limited to Illinois.

But the point of the article is that they aren't winning and that it's scaring the Republicans in that they really don't want such people connected to the party's brand.

So no it's nothing more than alarmism for anyone to say that they're succeeding by any real measure of success (unless you count sabotaging the Republican Party as a success).

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jul 29th 2018 at 3:48:00 PM

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#250608: Jul 29th 2018 at 12:46:02 PM

[up][up] I know of Jones of Illinois, John Fitzgerald of California, and Russel Walker of North Carolina (although he's only running on the State Ballot). There are also the countless Alt-Righters and Trumpeteers that, while White Supremacists, aren't necessarily Nazi's (like Corey Stewart of Virginia).

Suffice it to say, the Republican Party has a lot of White Supremacists and Neo-Nazi's running this year.

[up] Technically, they are winning... their Party's Primaries. Hopefully none of these horrid people win any seats.

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Jul 29th 2018 at 3:47:44 PM

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#250609: Jul 29th 2018 at 12:48:45 PM

I mean, are you really using a publication all the way from China as your first source for American political news? General rule of thumb is if none of the big, more reliable names are running it (WaPo, NYT, etc.), it's probably phony.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#250610: Jul 29th 2018 at 12:49:48 PM

Technically, they are winning... their Party's Primaries. Hopefully none of these horrid people win any seats.

Yes but that's such an overly narrow definition of winning that it's functionally useless, what matters is winning general elections and not sabotaging your party's brand. Both of which they fail at miserably.

I mean, are you really using a publication all the way from China as your first source for American political news? General rule of thumb is if none of the big, more reliable names are running it (Wa Po, NYT, etc.), it's probably phony.

This too.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jul 29th 2018 at 3:50:03 PM

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#250611: Jul 29th 2018 at 1:05:13 PM

I feel confident that most of them will lose. Not an excuse not to vote under any circumstances, but the Vox article points out how that kind of openly bigoted rhetoric (even more open than Trump's) is good at encouraging minority turnout and motivating independent voters to vote for democrats.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#250612: Jul 29th 2018 at 1:10:16 PM

Here's the thing though- It's quite likely that most of them will lose, yes. But all them of losing is also unlikely; there are enough of them that at least one of them will probably get a lucky break.

Considering how, until recently, people like that wouldn't have dared run, that's still troubling.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#250613: Jul 29th 2018 at 1:11:07 PM

And most of them are running in deep blue areas where the GOP is not a factor.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#250614: Jul 29th 2018 at 1:45:38 PM

In other news, northern California is on fire. Again. 3 fatalities so far plus one around Redding. An old woman and her two grand-(grand?-)children died. BBC is also running news reports on this and has an online news article.

Also, local news in Southern Switzerland have it that the maternal mortality in the USA is 4 larger than in Switzerland or other western countries and increasing. In some places of the southern US (Georgia was mentioned by name) it's as bad as in the Gaza Strip or Turkmenistan, allegedly. With African American mothers being particularly hard hit.

I notice that the news report uses the words "and once again" to introduce the race aspect. Implying that by now random Swiss citizens are expected to know about the race issues.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on Jul 29th 2018 at 10:54:56 AM

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#250615: Jul 29th 2018 at 3:46:31 PM

The US is genuinely one of the most dangerous countries to give birth in. Not only is the maternal mortality rate disgustingly high, the rate of people going bankrupt after the birth is disgustingly high too. In countries that aren't insane, the rate of the second should be zero and the first should be minimized as much as possible.

It is primarily because of the Republicans and insurance companies trying to wring profit out of something that is the only way for our species to continue.

They want people to have kids? Make it less dangerous and expensive. No other way around it.

Alycus Since: Apr, 2018
#250616: Jul 29th 2018 at 4:36:30 PM

I've seen an article on the south china morning post, is that a reliable news source?

Would like to chime in here, the SCMP is the main English language paper in Hong Kong, but it was bought over by a mainland Chinese tycoon years ago. Nowadays about half of its content is about serious issues in HK and China while the other half is blatant Communist Party propaganda and West-bashing, particularly in the Opinion section.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#250617: Jul 29th 2018 at 4:53:11 PM

Question about closeness when it comes to election. Is the process where they determine the candidate for a party's representative for president called a primary? Does anyone know what were the five closest for the Republicans and Democrats respectively or where I could go for that?

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#250618: Jul 29th 2018 at 4:59:19 PM

We all assumed Trump couldn't win.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#250619: Jul 29th 2018 at 5:01:20 PM

I certainly didn't, I just assumed it was unlikely, which it was. Unlikely things can still happen.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#250620: Jul 29th 2018 at 5:14:34 PM

[up]x5 that's actually an interesting topic.

In 1950, the Journal of the American Medical Association, a beacon of medical research, made a dramatic claim: The battle to stop women from dying in childbirth had finally been won.

"The Journal takes pride in announcing that for the first time in history the maternal mortality rate for a large nation — the United States of America — has been pushed slightly below the apparently irreducible minimum of one maternal death per 1,000 live births," an editorial proclaimed in an issue that year.

Only a few other nations, it continued, could reach such stellar numbers: Sweden, Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands and New Zealand. In subsequent years, the rate of maternal death in the U.S., thought to be irreducible, fell even further.

But then it stopped.

"There was this premature declaration of victory," says obstetrician William Callaghan, chief of the Maternal and Infant Health Branch in the Division of Reproductive Health at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Callaghan says that after the medical community declared victory, there was a shift in focus.

"Into the late '60s and really through the '70s, the technology of being able to care for the fetus became huge," Callaghan says. "People became really enchanted with the ability to do ultrasound, and then high-resolution ultrasound, to do invasive procedures, to stick needles in the amniotic cavity, and everything did revolve around the baby."

As the focus turned from mothers to babies, the trend lines for both diverged. Infant mortality is now at a "historic low," while the maternal mortality rate has continued to rise in recent years.

Of the 700 to 900 maternal deaths each year in America, the CDC Foundation estimates that 60 percent are preventable.

That's because, as NPR and Pro Publica have reported, the American medical system still prioritizes infant survival over maternal care. It approaches childbirth with the assumption that most women who give birth will be fine.

NPR has done some really good reporting on that.

Imca (Veteran)
#250621: Jul 29th 2018 at 5:20:59 PM

I was one of the few that expected him to win actually, saw the writing on the wall with how unpopular Clinton was, and how he kept on going no mater what he did....

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#250622: Jul 29th 2018 at 5:24:48 PM

Let's hope the next democratic representative does better.

Also when is it too late to register to vote for the midterms?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#250623: Jul 29th 2018 at 5:28:41 PM

[up][up]And that's still faulty reasoning.

That he won, doesn't prove he was destined or likely to win, or anything of the sort. He had like 30% chance, which while unlikely, again, is not impossible.

Now if you want to complain about him even having that high a chance that's understandable, but it's also a different matter.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 29th 2018 at 7:33:25 AM

Imca (Veteran)
#250624: Jul 29th 2018 at 5:32:58 PM

I would more argue that the "30%" was vastly underselling the chance that he had in the first place, he appealed directly to the worst parts of Amercia, and people want to pretend those worst parts have less power and are less extensive then they are.

"He wont win, because you cant run on racism" was a common sentiment, when thats exactly what helped him win.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#250625: Jul 29th 2018 at 5:35:32 PM

We all assumed Trump couldn't win.

I didn't think he would win but I most certainly did not assume he couldn't do it.

I would more argue that the "30%" was vastly underselling the chance that he had in the first place, he appealed directly to the worst parts of Amercia, and people want to pretend those worst parts have less power and are less extensive then they are.

I would hope your argument would be backed up empirically, he barely won against Clinton and the actual result does not align with the 30% prediction understating his chances.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jul 29th 2018 at 8:39:11 AM

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