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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Ok. This is an extremely good point that I hadn't considered.
But keeping in mind two facts:
1. They specifically said Democrats were trying to move right and the base forced them left.
2. They've previously been skeptical of the Democratic Party.
With that in mind I think my interpretation was reasonable.
Though it's worth nothing that like them I am biased in-regards to the Democratic Party, though my bias runs in the opposite direction.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jul 25th 2018 at 6:38:37 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang![]()
No but his returns may well show large loans coming in from Russian banks.
Sure and that’s why I made my statement about such noise coming largly from Sanders associated people, it gave Charles a chance to clarify that that was who he meant by agreeing with me, something he did.
I chose my words very carefully.
Edited by Silasw on Jul 25th 2018 at 10:39:25 AM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranWe already know about his relationship with Deutsche Bank, though.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Sure because they’re subject to some rules, but what he’s been up to with Russian banks, that’s both more secret and likely to be more dirty.
Perosnly I want to see his tax returns just because I want him to be embarrassed by having it proven that he’s not as rich as he claims, it won’t hurt him politically but we know it will sting personly, and I’ll take that at this point.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranLook, I'm tired of this whole "Democrats shift right" thing. It's just not taking reality into account. Since the 1990s, Democrats?
have been advocating for progressive taxation for years now, every single Democratic Presidential nominee for the last 20 years, has run on a progressive tax platform. Eevry single one, and every time, who blocks it? Who have stopped them from raising the minimum wage?
Whotried to pass the Paycheck fairness Act? Pro-Union bills such as Card Check and Employee Free Choice Act Public Safety Employer-Employee Cooperation Act? The Employment Non-Discrimination Act? They've been protecting the EPA, advocating for unions, have fought to protect social security from privatization,they saved and expanded Medicaid, fought to save SCHIP and have firmly embraced the left on social issues.
The GOP has held the house....19 of the past 23 years. That should tell you something. This whole "The Democrats wanted to move right and keep getting stopped" is untrue, and I'll never forgive Sanders for his "Democrats only represent the 1 percent" stuff.
Specifically, I said the DNC considered moving rightward and were rebuked.
It's like the rebuked part was left off.
Oh yes, I admit to extreme bias against the DNC. I am one of those deeply unpleasable Democrat voters.
I am angry and basically forward for any narrative which strikes at the system and moves it to the Left. The current situation with the Republican Party is like a thousand tiny stab wounds and I admit to blaming the DNC as well as well as the fascist collection of racist bastards presently running the country into the ground.
Albeit far far less.
I freely accept I may and probably am being unfair to them. But my feelings are underwhelmed.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 25th 2018 at 4:33:46 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.I think our last discussion went like this:
Me: I hated Hillary Clinton's economic policy.
Other Poster: You have bought into Republican propaganda against her.
Me: *posts Hillary Clinton's economic policy and why he didn't think it was any good*
Other Poster: You don't understand it.
Me: I really do.
I know what the DNC does and they're the best hope right now to save the country from fascism.
But my problems with them are considerable.
I'm trying NOT to engage in Complaining About Rescues They Don't Like.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 25th 2018 at 4:41:37 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
That is a total misrepresentation of that exchange. You asserted that Hillary Clinton’s economic policy would not actually have helped the poor, a line pulled wholesale from Fox. When questioned on it you posted a rundown of her economic policy that in no way supported your statement, which you then continued to assert was true despite multiple posters explaining why that was incorrect.
On the topic of the DNC, one of the areas I think they really dropped the ball in during the election was PR. They had pretty consistently bad publicity and seemed to only exacerbate the situation with everything they did. I’m not sure what they really could have done better, but they definitely should have taken a different approach at a minimum.
They should have sent a poet.Let me phrase this another way.
You know the DNC is not a synonym for the Democratic party, right?
That tends tp happen when you get hacked and have an organization plus the media dedicated to making you look as bad as possible, with a group of people waiting to latch on to any chance they have to support a completely facetious sense of victimhood. The "DNC rigged the primaries" narrative was just perfectly representative of that.
Edited by Lightysnake on Jul 25th 2018 at 4:43:10 AM
Now I feel like I have to engage in some No, You because that's a wholesale misrepresentation. I said that it was directed at the middle class and did not help the genuinely destitute near as much. But sure, I am completely wrong and it's not like we disagree Hillary would have been a far better choice than the Giant Cheeto.
Yes. I am a part of the Democratic Party.
I think it summarizes a lot of Bernie problems that many people believe he could have actually won when I think he would have been clobbered by Trump versus Hillary losing by legal technicality.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 25th 2018 at 4:46:41 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.The Democratic National Committee?
The head of the Democratic party?
What are you fishing for?
Edit:
They're the people who help determine policy, candidates, and organizing its efforts for candidates.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 25th 2018 at 4:46:50 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.In lighter news, an editor at the Daily Caller
attended a Missouri rally where Ocasio-Cortez attended to drum up support. Her writing on it falls squarely in Your Normal Is Our Taboo, emphasis added.
I saw how easy it would be, as a parent, to accept the idea that my children deserve healthcare and education. I saw how easy it would be, as someone who has struggled to make ends meet, to accept the idea that a “living wage” was a human right. Above all, I saw how easy it would be to accept the notion that it was the government’s job to make sure that those things were provided.
I watched as both Ocasio-Cortez and Bush deftly chopped America up into demographics, pointed out how those demographics had been victimized under the current system, and then promised to be the voice for those demographics. The movement, Ocasio-Cortez shouted, “knows no zip code. It knows no state. It knows no race. It knows no gender. It knows no documented status.”
Bush, after saying her piece, noted that she had been careful to allow speakers from across all demographics to make it clear that she was not running to represent just one particular group, but all.
I left the rally with a photo — in part to remind myself of that time I crashed a rally headlined by a socialist, but also in part to remind myself that there, but for the grace of God, go I.
x5 You literally said that it would not help the poor. That was your exact position on her economic policy, despite the policy page you linked to containing numerous examples of policies that would help the poor.
That’s where the “buying into Republican propaganda” part comes in, those objections to her economic policy were common smears from the right that far too many on the left seem to believe these days.
Edited by archonspeaks on Jul 25th 2018 at 4:51:25 AM
They should have sent a poet....
Do you know how the DNC works?
I mean, I can do up an explanation if you need but you seem to be acting really weird about this and ignoring a pretty well-known element of our democratic process.
Yes and I said why. They were policies which would help the poor with jobs, going to college, and other areas which would assist the employed and seeking higher education.
We needed a far more radical and comprehensive economic plan.
Why are we having this conversation again?
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 25th 2018 at 4:52:40 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Yes, I do. Yes, I really do know how the DNC works. That is what is under discussion. My feeling here is that you do not.
The DNC's not 'the head' of the Democratic party. It takes in and distributes money. It's not the boss any more than the DCCC is. It’s not an organization where the chairperson orders things done, and Democrats jump to accomplish it. It doesn't even order around the state and local parties.
Edited by Lightysnake on Jul 25th 2018 at 4:51:49 AM
And you are wrong.
Mind you, when an argument gets to the point of "You don't understand the subject" that tends to be when all actual discussion of the issues falls apart. Wouldn't you rather discuss the issues?
If you don't think I understand them, fine, but I think that's where the discussion ends.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 25th 2018 at 4:53:32 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.No I am not. I'm not going to get into a conversation where I justify myself to you, though, because I don't accept you as an expert.
Aren't we more mature than, "Explain who Captain Kirk is if you're a real geek."?
Because that's where we are now.
So I'm dropping it. My apologies for bringing it up in the first place.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 25th 2018 at 4:56:55 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.In other news, the GOP's now trying to impeach Rod Rosenstein. Because of course.
Edited by kkhohoho on Jul 25th 2018 at 6:56:22 AM
Okay, for anyone who might care to know?
The DNC is not 'the head' of the Demcoratic party. It doesn't set policies for the states, or platforms for candidates. Often the state and local parties tell the DNC what to do. They take in funds and distribute them accordingly. They couldn't 'move right,' and that doesn't make sense.'
It's a reason 2016 was so frustrating. The amount of angry people on the left deciding the D Nc was an imperial high council 'rigging' the primaries through an unspecified mechanism. Asking you what the DNC is and does after you cited it in such a matter is a fair line of questioning.
Edited by Lightysnake on Jul 25th 2018 at 4:59:04 AM

...why would Trump's tax returns have anything about Russia in them? It's not like he can take being in bed with and/or blackmailed by Putin as a tax exemption.
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