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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
The Supreme Court has no say on how an impeachment trial is handled. Only the Chief Justice (John G. Roberts) has since they preside over the Senate during the impeachment trial.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanWe do need to be more hyperpartisan now, we can't negotiate with most republicans. They do not want compromise, they want domination. So we need to blanket oppose the policies of the GOP except in cases where we cannot.
Honestly, what the Democrats need right now is a charismatic leader who inspires the kind of devotion Trump does. Someone who would say things like "The GOP doesn't actually give a shit about veterans, cadet-bone spurs only says they do so they can look good, then they slash veterans benefits and let them die in the streets". If a Democratic senator said outrageous things against the GOP or basically talked like an average left-wing internet poster then it would help fight fire with fire.
It is a new world, and we need to counter the Alt-Right and GOP that loves them with someone who doesn't look "weak" in the eyes of the average voters.
Edited by Wildcard on Jul 24th 2018 at 6:19:36 AM
He’s on record saying that he feels the president shouldn’t be investigated by law enforcement, he still holds that congress can investigate. Also his statements kinda indicate that he thinks that the president can be investigated and that the law needs to be changed, which means until such a change happens he should rule that such investigations are legitimate. Now he probably won’t, but him going against his own explicit past statements, so as to protect the president that appointed him from criminal charges, could be grounds to impeach him.
He’s bad, no two ways about it, but he’s equally bad if he get confirmed with 54 votes or with 50 votes.
Personally I’d love for Kavanaugh to not get confirmed, Trump to them pick Arpaio or Moore, the Dems to win the senate and the Dems to use the insane nominee as an excuse to keep the seat empty for 2 years.
Edited by Silasw on Jul 24th 2018 at 10:32:42 AM
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Yep. It's not realistic to expect them to flip on this. They are likely saying this in the hopes that this will get other Senators, Republican and Democratic alike, to offer concessions to their states in the future to sway them. But at the end of the day they will likely still vote in favor of Kavanaugh.
This would then be an argument against being hyperpartisan. If it's more or less inevitable that Kavanaugh will win, a Democratic Senator in a deeply Red state might as well confirm him rather than risk alienating their voters. They would have nothing to gain and everything to lose by voting No if there's no chance at stopping it.
And even if there is a fair chance those two really will flip, that would not be an argument for hyperpartisanship either. Getting those two to flip and defy their own party would likely require generous concessions on the Democratic Senators' part. That means a lot of reaching across the aisle and negotiation. The opposite of hyperpartisanship.
Politics, amirite?
Edited by M84 on Jul 24th 2018 at 6:43:14 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedEach Senator has to decide for themselves if making a symbolic resistance is worth potentially alienating their own voters or inflaming their opposition. I'm willing to cut Democratic Senators in deep Red states some more slack on this regard. At the very least, I'm not going to condemn Doug Jones as a spineless appeaser if he does end up voting for Kavanaugh.
And while the Democratic Party should field a solid candidate in 2020, I think we need to avoid falling into messianic politics.
Edited by M84 on Jul 24th 2018 at 6:56:35 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedI don't think Doug Jones is a spineless appeaser. I agree with Democrats acting more Partisan, not everything that was said by people that expressed that sentiment.
Messianic politics are a problem, but if we are going to kneecap the competition from the GOP and their sloppy love affair with Trump, we probably need to use it.
Yes.
But his selection was more or less inevitable considering that the Dems don't control the Senate.
This is just an argument for court packing (which I enthusiastically support).
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangA bit late, perhaps:
(emphasis mine)
Honestly, I think that about said it all right there about what to expect from ~Lord YAM's arguments.
Edited by sgamer82 on Jul 24th 2018 at 7:12:04 AM
On hyperpartisanship: if you're worried about a repeat of 2016, I agree. Democrats should work together. No vanity candidates or spoilers. But opposing the Republicans on everything isn't hyperpartisanship, it's survival. The Republicans are compromised by foreign powers, and they're willing to drive this country off a cliff in the name of tax cuts, environmental destruction, and hurting women, non-white people, and anyone else who they don't like. ICE went from an unpleasant and evil organization to locking kids in cages and disappearing people. Voter suppression was held at bay by the federal government, and now the Republicans own the government. Unless the Republicans actually do something worth joining them on, we have to fight them on everything. I get that Manchin and Jones may have to vote with them on some things, but Kavanaugh shouldn't be one of them.
He's yet to issue a serious statement on it either.
He's made a statement on the Kremlin bots. He used it as an opportunity to stir up shit about Hillary Clinton. He seriously tried to deflect criticism away from himself by blaming Hillary for not catching Russia supporting him.
You may notice this as the exact same tactic that Trump uses frequently.
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It’s just unbelievably petty. Those clearances aren’t rare, I believe a few million people have TS clearance. If there’s a security threat it certainly isn’t coming from those guys.
Having a clearance can help with a lot of government-adjacent jobs. The company I work for now requires at least a secret clearance for hiring, so most of the people who work here are ex-government in one way or another. Taking it away from those people doesn’t really hurt them unless they’re employed somewhere that needs a clearance, it’s just a ridiculous parting shot at them.
They should have sent a poet.Just remember that when he found out Russian bots were using his campaign? Sanders did nothing about it. A volunteer for his campaign later informed the Clinton campaign and Sanders tried to claim credit for it later before he decided to go victim blaming with "well, why didn't the Clinton campaign do something about it?"
As far as Kavanaugh goes? The sad reality is this is all in the Republicans' court. I care far more about a Dem not being the decisive vote. As long as Manchin is waffling around until we know how many Republicans are on board?
Also...
Trump Administration releases numbers on family reunifications...over 400 parents have been deported without their children.

With a trump controlled Supreme Court impeachment may not be an option. Kavanaugh is on record saying that presidents should not be investigated.
That’s why it’s a big deal.