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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#249976: Jul 23rd 2018 at 2:52:02 PM

On continued support for Trump, I actually read an article yesterday about a small Alabama town full of Trump supporters.

The interesting thing that a lot of them were willing to admit that, yeah, he's a terrible person, but he's a terrible person who'll work towards the things they care about.

Which basically boil down to racism and Christian domination, with the bible conveniently justifying all of their prejudices, but that's par for the course now.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 23rd 2018 at 4:54:25 AM

Imca (Veteran)
#249977: Jul 23rd 2018 at 2:56:20 PM

Its really telling why there really voting for him when things like farming income are down 60% in the last 2 months, and they fully know he is responsible and still suport him.

"Economic Anxiety" is just an excuse.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#249978: Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:09:58 PM

GOP lawmaker Jason Spencer screamed the n-word multiple times, portrayed a racist caricature of a Chinese tourist in order to take up-skirt photos of a suspected terrorist's burka, and threatened to cut off the penises of suspected terrorists during the latest episode of Sacha Baron Cohen's "Who Is America?" In a post-credits scene titled, "A Message to Terrorists from Rep. Jason Spencer," the Republican state representative from Georgia yelled into the camera: "All you damn sand-n*ggers over in the Middle East, we are tired of you coming to America and we are tired of you trying to threaten us." He continued, wielding a knife in front of a green screen: "We will cut off your dick, you understand? We will take your dick and we will shove it in your mouth." He then takes a bite out of a large sausage and asks, "How are you going to rape children and women without a dick?" (Daily Beast)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-lawmaker-jason-spencer-strips-screams-n-word-on-sacha-baron-cohens-who-is-america

It's even more awful then you think, but it's very much worth watching.

Edited by megaeliz on Jul 23rd 2018 at 6:17:12 AM

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#249979: Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:22:24 PM

[up]I am so confused as to how people fall for things like this show. How in the world do people just blindly accept Person X is Person X and then accept any wild and wacky premise they give, like 'Shouting at Terrorists Scare them'. That just feels incredibly nonsensical to me, but it's there for anyone to watch; a man is tricked by another man into exposing his bigoted inner feelings. I guess that one experiment (where people pretended to be Prisoners and Prison Guards, then went completely overboard with both personas) is on full display here...

But yeah, screw that guy, he should resign, or impeached.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#249980: Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:32:23 PM

I just thought that with the whole Russian scandle, Trump's ratings might take a tumble. Maybe we need to wait for the next poll?

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#249981: Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:37:01 PM

These polls, how accurate are they? The population of the USA is in the hundreds of millions, last time I checked; even if we assume that the eligible-to-vote portion is only a "fraction" of that, we'd be counting millions of people at the very least.

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... You used to be Muslim, ~Fourthspartan56?

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#249982: Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:38:45 PM

... You used to be Muslim, ~Fourthspartan 56

Yup, both of my parents converted as young adults and raised me as a Muslim.

I eventually moved away from my faith but I still look back at it fondly.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jul 23rd 2018 at 6:38:18 AM

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#249983: Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:45:57 PM

[up][up] that's why invidual polls don't really worry me that much. The aggregate is what really matters, and that has remained fairly steady.

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#249984: Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:47:41 PM

Trump's numbers are by all accounts still stagnating in the high 30s/low 40s, the same levels they've been at since he got a boost from the tax break passing.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#249985: Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:48:39 PM

Which basically boil down to racism and Christian domination, with the bible conveniently justifying all of their prejudices, but that's par for the course now.

I don't get the attempt to put Trump as any kind of Christian figure. He hates Muslims but so does Bill Maher and Sam Harris.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#249986: Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:50:00 PM

A lot of the people interviewed were saying things like "It's not my place to judge" or "God users sinners for good all the time" or stuff like that.

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#249987: Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:50:07 PM

[up][up]The fact that his VP is a Christian fundamentalist? Or that the Religious Right view him as a the messiah?

Obviously Trump is just a immoral apatheist but his fans and the factions aligned with him don't seem to believe that (hint: because they're white supremacist theocrats).

[up]

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jul 23rd 2018 at 6:50:33 AM

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#249988: Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:51:44 PM

"Christianity" and white supremacy go hand in hand in America.

Oh really when?
TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#249989: Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:52:01 PM

Trump is willing to pass policies that benefit Evangelicals. The other two speak out against them. It doesn't matter what they think, only what usefulness they serve.

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#249990: Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:52:30 PM

[up][up]Since both Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama are devout Christians I don't think that's really true.

Replace "Christianity" with White Evangelical Christianity and you'll be right.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jul 23rd 2018 at 6:54:14 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#249991: Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:52:41 PM

The fact that his VP is a Christian fundamentalist? Or that the Religious Right view him as a the messiah?

No one likes Pence among the Religious Right, which kind of summarizes it there. As for the Right, a lot of them despise him in the churches.

Obviously Trump is just a immoral apatheist but his fans and the factions aligned with him don't seem to believe that (hint: because they're white supremacist theocrats).

I'm not sure it's a Christian theocrat Venn diagram instead of just racism. Trump's rhetoric is racial and nationalist but religion barely figures out in it.

I said it before "They voted for the adulterous New York atheist over the Southern Methodist woman."

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:53:25 AM

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#249992: Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:53:35 PM

No one likes Pence among the Religious Right, which kind of summarizes it there. As for the Right, a lot of them despise him in the churches.
Um... I think I'll want some numbers for this because I'm fairly certain that both Trump and Pence are popular amongst the Evangelicals.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#249993: Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:54:02 PM

Which I mean, if you accept that there is a God, and that we're all sinners, I suppose "God uses sinners to do good" would be true. But I'd imagine people would expected to make a distinction from the fact that no one is free of sin, and someone like Trump who actively indulges and shows no sign or desire to want to repent/improve/whatever.

I know why they don't care about it, because it's all just a rationalization for their prejudices, but still.

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#249994: Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:54:19 PM

[up]x13 Assuming proper sampling with replacement, you only need to poll roughly a square root of the population to get a good estimate of how popular something is. That's only an estimate (this is why good polls come with a margin for error) and it assumes that sampling isn't systemically biased (for example, if you only poll people with cell phones, your poll will be biased because you under-polled the elderly).

The above is a good summary of polling 101.

Edited by thok on Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:54:18 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#249995: Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:57:15 PM

The evangelical break over Trump isn't complete but it's big news in Christian...well, news.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/southern-baptists-call-off-the-culture-war/563000/

Pence has been trying to patch things up but there a huge protest over his speech at the conference.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/6/13/17460398/mike-pence-trump-southern-baptist-convention-immigrant-resolution-sbc18

It should have been much much earlier.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 23rd 2018 at 4:00:04 AM

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#249996: Jul 23rd 2018 at 3:59:23 PM

I don't believe anyone has said that there are no Evangelicals that dislike Trump/Pence.

My Grandparents are Evangelicals and they've despised Trump from day 01, incidentally they quite like Pence and are sad that he would tie himself to a godless man like Trump.

Obviously this is anecdotal but my point is that I don't believe anyone has said they're 100% with him, just a majority of them.

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#249997: Jul 23rd 2018 at 4:02:12 PM

10,000 Pages!

WOOT!

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#249998: Jul 23rd 2018 at 4:04:10 PM

From what I've heard White Evangelical and Southern Baptist support for Trump stands at 70 and 80%, respectively. A strong majority in both ways, but also a sizeable minority. Not that that minority necessarily has reasons we'd agree with for not supporting him. Could easily be a Right for the Wrong Reasons thing.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 23rd 2018 at 6:03:56 AM

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#249999: Jul 23rd 2018 at 4:18:37 PM

Accidental post

Edited by megaeliz on Jul 23rd 2018 at 7:23:32 AM

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#250000: Jul 23rd 2018 at 4:18:37 PM

Sacha Baron Cohen's new show is the best Satire he's done since the old Ali-G days.

I love it, and how it makes fools out of so many people.

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