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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#184451: Apr 23rd 2017 at 7:58:05 PM

Edison was actually a good businessman though. A terrible vindictive credit-stealing person, but a good businessman. Him and his friend Henry Ford. And Ford, who Trump probably idolizes too, was pretty awful and ruthlessly vindictive, but he was smart enough to realize that one of the best forms of advertising was paying your employees enough to buy your own product, thereby showing that the people who make it trust it enough to want it in their personal lives.

I guess the really big difference between Trump and the big name businessmen he probably idolizes is that they were genuinely pragmatic. Trump's just an idiot.

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#184452: Apr 23rd 2017 at 8:00:50 PM

Trump may be a bad businessman, but he's a good conman. And that's way worse for the rest of us

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#184453: Apr 23rd 2017 at 8:08:11 PM

@IFWander: The alt-right proper complete with the white nationalism and neo-fascism is quite small. There is however a rather large base of conservatives, reactionaries, and libertarians that can be viewed as enabling the alt-right through their own opposition to the left's social policies and/or economic policies. The last of the three is fairly prominent among young Americans, but it's also the group which is the least comfortable in my experience with the uneasy alliance with the alt right proper they find themselves in.

edited 23rd Apr '17 8:08:31 PM by CaptainCapsase

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#184454: Apr 23rd 2017 at 8:10:25 PM

Even if people do subconsciously realize that Trump conned them, many of them probably won't be able to admit it. Nobody likes to admit they were fooled.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#184455: Apr 23rd 2017 at 8:50:28 PM

The Edison quote is also usually taken positively as an encouragement for the value of persistence and the scientific methood. The field he was in by its nature necessitated a lot of trial and error. (The context I remember for the quote was finding a workable filament for the lightbulb.) In science even a failed result is positive if it yields useful data.

The problem with Donald is that he rejects any result that doesn't fit his reality.

[down]IIRC their first success was actually a filiment of carbonized organic matter (bamboo?) under vacumn. *checks Wikipedia, confirms*. The tungsten filament came later and not from Edison.

edited 23rd Apr '17 8:58:28 PM by Elle

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#184456: Apr 23rd 2017 at 8:53:42 PM

The other thing there is that they knew what they needed, a metal light enough to be workable, but strong enough to survive the electric current running through it. There was a specific end goal in mind.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#184457: Apr 23rd 2017 at 8:55:56 PM

[up][up] Granted, that doesn't translate as well into the world of business. Those 10,000 failures cost money, and that money is wasted if you don't figure out something that actually works by learning from said failures.

It's been brought up before that Edison's approach was very much a brute-force one. He more or less tried a bunch of different things to see what might work without doing more to figure out why certain things didn't work.

Tesla (surprise...) once supposedly said this of Edison's approach: “If Edison had a needle to find in a haystack, he would proceed at once with the diligence of the bee to examine straw after straw until he found the object of his search. I was a sorry witness of such doings, knowing that a little theory and calculation would have saved him ninety per cent of his labor.”

edited 23rd Apr '17 8:57:55 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#184458: Apr 23rd 2017 at 9:11:50 PM

Well, just one poll, but still a pretty bad sign for those of us hoping people felt conned: [1] 96% of Trump voters say they would vote for him again. SMDH.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#184459: Apr 23rd 2017 at 9:12:30 PM

[up] Does that make #Trumpgrets better or worse?sad

RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#184460: Apr 23rd 2017 at 9:13:33 PM

Well, I guess I have two cultures to hate now.

Continue writing our story of peace.
ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#184461: Apr 23rd 2017 at 9:14:59 PM

@Dingo Walley 1: Presumably worse, since most of the Trumpgrets I read concerned Trump failing to live up to his racist, bigoted agenda and throwing all the brown people over the border. I feel like I need a shower every time I check that site or the comment section on most news articles.

edited 23rd Apr '17 9:15:46 PM by ViperMagnum357

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#184462: Apr 23rd 2017 at 9:15:46 PM

Granted, given how slim some of the margins were in the election, even 4% not voting for Trump again, in addition to higher Democratic turnout and possible undecideds going Democratic would be enough to swing things in 2020.

[up] Yeah, I've also been really disturbed that a lot of the "regrets" are due to Trump not being enough of a bigoted authoritarian.

The more pragmatic part of me thinks "eh, as long as they don't vote again."

edited 23rd Apr '17 9:18:08 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#184463: Apr 23rd 2017 at 9:27:14 PM

4% would likely have swung the election, that's two and a half million votes in an election that would have gone the other way if 81 thousand more votes had gone to Clinton/40 thousands votes had defected from Trump to Clinton (in the correct states). Hell thats not even looking at the regret levels amongst either third party voters or people who stayed home.

Also it's worth noting that that's simply those who are okay with voting for Trump when he was against Clinton, so against a Dem that is more popular than Clinton that number is soft.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#184464: Apr 23rd 2017 at 10:20:07 PM

We need a better candidate, and grassroots organizing to support them. 61 percent of elegible voters voted in 2008, but only around 58 in 2012 and around 56 2016. We need to encourage voter turn out, find ways to sustain it in 2018, 2020, and even beyond that, and work to get swing voters to get at least 50 percent plus one. We can't afford to get complacent.

And even with decreased voter turn out, Trump did not win the popular vote.

edited 24th Apr '17 12:44:53 AM by megaeliz

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#184465: Apr 23rd 2017 at 10:49:50 PM

Not just turnout. Encouraging turnout tends to encourage polarization. And I don't think it's a given that more turnout would help.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#184466: Apr 23rd 2017 at 11:13:37 PM

Well I saw the aticle and people are right in one thing: Trump dosent fails, he dosent WIN ther but more important he manage to avoid the fallout of is on problems and get away with it, like a saturday cartoon villian, the status quo ensure trump never wins anything but also ensure he is never punished ether, he will just praise himself, shurg off and move on.

In way it also reflect in his campain: first like any good populist he need fuels and by gods there was plenty, in part because Obama style of being quiet and somewhat withdraw may people hate him(of course a large part is because republican medding but you get the idea) allow him to get into the white house by being a jerk and this was is mistake since now he change the status quo, he WON and.....he dosent know what to do now.

So if you ask me, trump will not succeed in what he wants but he will not fail ether, he will just walk away without giving a damn.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#184467: Apr 23rd 2017 at 11:21:59 PM

[up] It's the story of Trump's life. He walks away with barely a second thought or care while leaving behind a trail of wreckage, broken promises, broken dreams, and ruined lives.

Disgusted, but not surprised
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#184468: Apr 24th 2017 at 12:43:01 AM

[up][up][up]That's why we need to also run issue advocacy campaigns now before the elections. Which means meeting face to face with people you may not agree with and finding common ground, and listening to people.

(This is where I got the info)

https://www.resistanceschool.com/summary-session-two/

https://www.resistanceschool.com/session-two-1/

edited 24th Apr '17 3:37:40 AM by megaeliz

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#184469: Apr 24th 2017 at 5:39:09 AM

@Clarste *Sigh*, you're getting way too absorbed in that article.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#184470: Apr 24th 2017 at 5:42:26 AM

96% of Trump voters say they would vote for him again.

Surprising absolutely no one.

i'm tired, my friend
Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#184471: Apr 24th 2017 at 5:59:38 AM

[up]Well, considering the majority of Trump voters voted against Clinton, who is supposedly the devil incarnate, there is still the possibility that next round, when a sane candidate with less baggage shows up they'll abandon Trump then.

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#184472: Apr 24th 2017 at 6:00:43 AM

I would argue that 96% is the majority.

i'm tired, my friend
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#184473: Apr 24th 2017 at 6:02:38 AM

I found it, the mythical modern reasonable Republican politician.

http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/330133-kasich-i-think-political-parties-are-on-their-way-out?amp

He's a bit optimistic on Trump, but he seems to be putting actually governing above party and not just blinding spitting out the party line.

edited 24th Apr '17 6:06:40 AM by megaeliz

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#184474: Apr 24th 2017 at 6:06:11 AM

[up]Huh? No, that's just Kasich, he's simply a quiet guy.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#184475: Apr 24th 2017 at 6:08:30 AM

[up]Still, he seems to be a hold out of the more moderate pre-2008 republican, judging from what he saying. Or am I just that desperate to see a more reasonable GOP politician who while I may disagee with on certain issues but still respect?

This is not good.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/330172-trump-executive-order-could-undo-designation-of-national?amp

edited 24th Apr '17 6:22:41 AM by megaeliz


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