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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
No Democrat should need to seek Bernie's blessing to secure their legitimacy. If Bernie wants anything close to that privilege, he first needs to start calling himself a Democrat. He's such a Fair-Weather Friend, it's honestly offensive. He's perfectly willing to use the Democratic infrastructure, but he won't do anything for the party unless it's for his own acolyte.
Honestly, this entire experience of seeing throngs of brainless first-time voters queuing up for a demagogue makes me more receptive of a party list system.
edited 20th Apr '17 9:11:00 AM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Frankly, I suspect Double Agent or Unwitting Pawn might be more appropriate for him.
edited 20th Apr '17 9:11:33 AM by MorningStar1337
Sanders wants the Democratic Party to win...on his terms. He wants his ideology to be the Democratic Party's ideology. He won't join the party for real unless it's willing to make itself into the Party of Sanders. And because he's over 70 and spent too many years as an outsider, he's trying to rush things.
edited 20th Apr '17 9:15:15 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedI think my opinion of him soured irrevocably when he was filmed glowering, red-faced during the Convention. Just that alone was enough to convince me this guy would burn down the kingdom if he wasn't given the crown.
The Democratic Party isn't the party of Obama, Hillary, or Bernie (especially not Bernie). It's the party of all Democrats, and no one has the right to appoint themselves the gatekeeper.
edited 20th Apr '17 9:16:09 AM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."I remain completely perplexed about why Sanders is so loved in the first place. He is a rich white man who had the means to not have to work until his 40s, and brags about stealing electricity from a neighbour. Claims to understand the plight of the working class yet never had to really worry about facing any of the problems of actual poverty. Why does everyone seem to think that he speaks for them when he can't really have an idea about the hardships they've been through? He has appropriated the struggles of the genuinely poor without actually doing anything to help them. Renaming post-offices doesn't put food on the table. Speaking of which I really hope that the neighbour that he was stealing electricity from didn't have to go hungry to pay for Bernie's power usage.
I mean, he wanted to be President, what did you expect? And it's not like he tried to do what Cruz did and refuse to endorse the party's candidate.
edited 20th Apr '17 9:26:42 AM by KarkatTheDalek
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It's also likely he did it without any promises of a Cabinet position and a guarantee no major democrat would oppose him in a future run, which is what it took to get Clinton to back down from her scorched Earth strategy after it was clear Obama was going to win in 2008.
@M84: Sanders policies were more or less sensible, if moderately unpolished. The issue would've been actually implementing them, but if you cynically dismiss single payer healthcare and he like as politically impossible, it's a self fulfilling prophecy. Wheeling and dealing with the economic elite only gets you so far; without massive popular mobilization to force the hands of those holding societies purse strings, every step forwards will come with two steps backwards in tax concessions, deregulation, and privatization.
edited 20th Apr '17 9:32:01 AM by CaptainCapsase
We'd like to, except the loser of the DNC primaries keeps trying to influence the Democratic Party. Which wouldn't be an issue if he didn't keep doing and saying questionable things.
In playing this more public and involved role in the Democratic Party (despite not being a Democrat), he has opened himself to more scrutiny.
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The struggle to get single-payer through and working would have made the ACA look like child's play. Free college would have required a massive overhaul of our education and financial aid, and it would have required improvement of K~12 education. And all of this probably would have meant higher taxes.
And I didn't say impossible — just improbable.
edited 20th Apr '17 9:35:49 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedsorry to double post, but new topic.
A politico poll amount Trump supporters, shows that they don't think he is infallible after all.
You know WHY we have to keep mentioning the 2016 election/primary?
Because Sanders. Does. Not. Know. How. to. Shut. The. FUCK. UP.
He constantly shits on Democrats when we're trying to put the pieces back together and hold on to what little protections we have for women, Muslims, and POC.
We're supposed to just bow our heads and ignore him, for the sake of not opening bad wounds, when the motherfucker keeps stabbing us?
Fuck that.
New Survey coming this weekend!But you have been repeating the same things over and over.
You have made a comment to that effect I don't know how many times now. Again nothing against any of you personally, just trying to stop this from getting out of hand,
Guys, you are focusing on the wrong places. If you want to see where the real movers and shakers are, then look to the people. We are finally taking our politics into our own hands, holding congress accountable and demanding that they listen to us.
edited 20th Apr '17 9:41:05 AM by megaeliz
Washington Post on the "Unity Tour" and failings thereof
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@megaeliz
At this point it isn't retrying the election. Sanders has chosen to take an incredibly public role in the party, and has used that role to...repeatedly criticize the party and demand that his version of liberalism be accepted as the only one. We're not talking about shit he said in the primary, we're talking about shit he said last week. Or shit he said yesterday.
edited 20th Apr '17 9:40:21 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar
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The problem is that Sanders keeps doing and saying stupid things that make it hard to believe he really supports the Democratic Party. It only seems like we've been saying this non-stop recently because his two recent gaffes were so close to each other.
edited 20th Apr '17 9:40:27 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedOkay then I have a question that went unanswered the a few pages ago. This time I'll be more blunt.
Why don't we primary the Keystone of the in progress Keystone Army? Why don't we try to kick Sanders off whatever position he's in? Is it an attempt to gain the support of a fickle public of young adults?
edited 20th Apr '17 9:43:28 AM by MorningStar1337
