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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
@Tactical I would highly recommend reading his book. I'm going through it right now and thinking about making an LTTP on it. There is some really good stuff in here and it's from two authors that are highly sympathetic to her that have inside knowledge of her campaign. These are sources from during the campaign now btw and they acknowledge that some of the sources that came after the campaign ended might be revionisist but they have quite a bit of sources that you'll find the truth in there somewhere.
Like for instance, apparently she did not feel like running at first before she announced her candidacy but there was so much long term planning that went into it that she felt like she had to.
And apparently Jake Sullivan wanted Hillary to burn Trump on her ending speech:
Sullivan wanted Clinton to go out with a bang. He wanted her to burn the earth Trump walked on.
A defeated Clinton noted that that wasn’t her “job anymore.”
“Other people will criticize him. That’s their job. I have done it. I just lost, and that is that,” she said. “That was my last race.”
edited 18th Apr '17 5:15:56 PM by MadSkillz
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Your plans for reaching the much vaunted WWC are still untested. Funny how it's only unfair when those most loudly claiming that their plan would have worked lost too.
edited 18th Apr '17 5:18:34 PM by Krieger22
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotI'm not quite on board with all of the anti-Bernie aspect of Tactical Fox's post (and I'm kind of getting generally tired of the more conspiracy-theorist Russia stuff I see from my friends on social media), but otherwise I also say
. And that really gets at why there is so much continued disagreement here. Because fundamentally, there's not going to be agreement between people (myself included) who see Clinton as a good candidate who would have made for a good President and other people who basically think she was the worst candidate ever.
Edit- Also, while this is somewhat hypocritical and I'm probably also in this group, I'll
too. I just wanted to comment on why there is such a divide, and how it really colors a lot of how people see the "postmortem".
edited 18th Apr '17 5:19:48 PM by Hodor2
You know for a thread that apparently hates rehashing the primary we sure do keep going back to it all the time.
I'm looking at you Tactical Fox, Mad Skills and Caspase. If the three of you want to keep having this argument over and over again that's okay, but stop pretending you're sick of it when you keep baiting each other back into having the exact same argument over and over again/eating up the bait that others have very obviously laid down for you.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranNPR: Sen Warren talks about her book
. I'm not sure how relevant this is, but the article seems to be an interview centered on how the government affected the Middle Class. The book being described as her "call to action" in the article headline.
Maybe we should make a separate thread on it. How would everyone feel about that?
That way we could give this thread more breathing room to talk more about other US political news.
Sure, if we're willing to have the lakehouse brought up every few posts.
Kostya: Some folks take everything Louise Mensch has to tweet at face value.
Heat Street: Somehow Deemed Legit By Random Internet Idiots.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot@Kostya- Well part of it is the citations of Louise Mensch who is apparently a very shady person (i.e. claiming that Black Lives Matter is a Russian plot), but I'd say more generally more out-there connections of people as well as any comment that Trump/someone in his circle/etc. is close to criminal indictment.
My take on things is that Russia definitely had a role in the election hacking, including sharing things with Wikileaks and the back-channels through which stuff got to various Republicans. And it's also true that Trump and a lot of his inner circle have shady business dealings with Russians that probably border on violating white collar crime and other laws, and in some cases maybe actually do.
But when you try to make a theory that ties these elements together, you end up with some Kevin Baconish conspiracy theories.
Edit- Semi-
(KGB'ed?)
edited 18th Apr '17 5:25:18 PM by Hodor2
Everyone's third favorite racist, Representative Steve King of Iowa, celebrated the first deportation
of a DREA Mer who came to the US when he was just 9.
x15
It's telling that, in response to that whole entire well-written, clear-as-day condemnation of how the country feel for Trump, that is your response.
edited 18th Apr '17 5:30:07 PM by SciFiSlasher
"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."![]()
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Yes, and this lakehouse
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I, too, expect him to fail (and hard). If he wins, awesome, we might actually have a chance in the long run. If not, I didn't bother to get my hopes up, so I'm not too disappointed.
According to a professional campaigner who worked on both Obama elections and the grassroots arm of the administration, one of the biggest problems with the Hillary campaign, was that they they relied to much on trying to get people who agreed with them instead of engaging people who might of have agreed with them if they had listened to and addressed their concerns.
https://www.resistanceschool.com/session-two-1/
edited 18th Apr '17 5:53:06 PM by megaeliz

Defeat sucks. Now get over it.
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.