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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#183526: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:05:17 PM

Defeat sucks. Now get over it.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#183527: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:07:11 PM

That shouldn't have to include accepting incorrect reasons for said defeat.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#183528: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:14:06 PM

@Tactical I would highly recommend reading his book. I'm going through it right now and thinking about making an LTTP on it. There is some really good stuff in here and it's from two authors that are highly sympathetic to her that have inside knowledge of her campaign. These are sources from during the campaign now btw and they acknowledge that some of the sources that came after the campaign ended might be revionisist but they have quite a bit of sources that you'll find the truth in there somewhere.

Like for instance, apparently she did not feel like running at first before she announced her candidacy but there was so much long term planning that went into it that she felt like she had to.

And apparently Jake Sullivan wanted Hillary to burn Trump on her ending speech:

According to Yahoo! News, the authors thought they would be watching the glass ceiling above women being “shattered” when they embedded into Clinton’s campaign. Instead, they watched the hopes and dreams of a progressive and righteous nation get shattered by the oligarch in chief.

Sullivan wanted Clinton to go out with a bang. He wanted her to burn the earth Trump walked on.

According to the book, Sullivan told Clinton: “And you made a case that all these people’s rights and safety are in danger. If you meant that, you should say it.”

A defeated Clinton noted that that wasn’t her “job anymore.”

“Other people will criticize him. That’s their job. I have done it. I just lost, and that is that,” she said. “That was my last race.”

edited 18th Apr '17 5:15:56 PM by MadSkillz

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#183529: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:16:00 PM

[up][up][up]Your plans for reaching the much vaunted WWC are still untested. Funny how it's only unfair when those most loudly claiming that their plan would have worked lost too.

edited 18th Apr '17 5:18:34 PM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#183530: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:16:27 PM

[up][up]Frankly after people spat in her face I think Clinton is perfectly within her rights to say "Fuck you guys. Deal with it yourselves."

edited 18th Apr '17 5:16:44 PM by Kostya

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#183531: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:16:54 PM

I'm not quite on board with all of the anti-Bernie aspect of Tactical Fox's post (and I'm kind of getting generally tired of the more conspiracy-theorist Russia stuff I see from my friends on social media), but otherwise I also say [awesome]. And that really gets at why there is so much continued disagreement here. Because fundamentally, there's not going to be agreement between people (myself included) who see Clinton as a good candidate who would have made for a good President and other people who basically think she was the worst candidate ever.

Edit- Also, while this is somewhat hypocritical and I'm probably also in this group, I'll [awesome] [down] too. I just wanted to comment on why there is such a divide, and how it really colors a lot of how people see the "postmortem".

edited 18th Apr '17 5:19:48 PM by Hodor2

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#183532: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:17:34 PM

You know for a thread that apparently hates rehashing the primary we sure do keep going back to it all the time.

I'm looking at you Tactical Fox, Mad Skills and Caspase. If the three of you want to keep having this argument over and over again that's okay, but stop pretending you're sick of it when you keep baiting each other back into having the exact same argument over and over again/eating up the bait that others have very obviously laid down for you.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#183533: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:18:17 PM

[up][up]What conspiracy theorist Russia stuff? So far most of it seems legit.

edited 18th Apr '17 5:18:31 PM by Kostya

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#183534: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:18:28 PM

NPR: Sen Warren talks about her book. I'm not sure how relevant this is, but the article seems to be an interview centered on how the government affected the Middle Class. The book being described as her "call to action" in the article headline.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#183535: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:18:40 PM

Here's my opinion.

Hillary: Weak campaigner but extremely qualified for the presidency.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#183536: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:20:32 PM

If the three of you want to keep having this argument over and over again that's okay, but stop pretending you're sick of it when you keep baiting each other back into having the exact same argument over and over again/eating up the bait that others have very obviously laid down for you.

Maybe we should make a separate thread on it. How would everyone feel about that?

That way we could give this thread more breathing room to talk more about other US political news.

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#183537: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:24:26 PM

[up]Sure, if we're willing to have the lakehouse brought up every few posts.

Kostya: Some folks take everything Louise Mensch has to tweet at face value.

Heat Street: Somehow Deemed Legit By Random Internet Idiots.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#183538: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:24:36 PM

@Kostya- Well part of it is the citations of Louise Mensch who is apparently a very shady person (i.e. claiming that Black Lives Matter is a Russian plot), but I'd say more generally more out-there connections of people as well as any comment that Trump/someone in his circle/etc. is close to criminal indictment.

My take on things is that Russia definitely had a role in the election hacking, including sharing things with Wikileaks and the back-channels through which stuff got to various Republicans. And it's also true that Trump and a lot of his inner circle have shady business dealings with Russians that probably border on violating white collar crime and other laws, and in some cases maybe actually do.

But when you try to make a theory that ties these elements together, you end up with some Kevin Baconish conspiracy theories.

Edit- Semi-[nja] (KGB'ed?)

edited 18th Apr '17 5:25:18 PM by Hodor2

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#183539: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:27:29 PM

Can we at least all agree that Elizabeth Warren is pretty great?

Sure, if we're willing to have the lakehouse brought up every few posts.

What do you mean?

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#183540: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:29:22 PM

Everyone's third favorite racist, Representative Steve King of Iowa, celebrated the first deportation of a DREA Mer who came to the US when he was just 9.

SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#183541: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:29:48 PM

[up]x15

Defeat sucks. Now get over it.

It's telling that, in response to that whole entire well-written, clear-as-day condemnation of how the country feel for Trump, that is your response.

edited 18th Apr '17 5:30:07 PM by SciFiSlasher

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#183542: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:36:16 PM

[up][up][up]Yes, and this lakehouse.

Live GA-6 vote count

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#183543: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:38:27 PM

Why does Ossoff have such a high early spike?

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#183544: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:39:09 PM

MAD Magazine used to offer Alfred E. Neuman as a candidate for president, running on the slogan: "You could do worse! (And always have.)" But after Trump got elected, I'll bet even Al E. is saying, "Oh, for crying out loud...!"

This Space Intentionally Left Blank.
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#183545: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:39:45 PM

Edit- Maybe shouldn't pursue this line of discussion.

edited 18th Apr '17 5:42:31 PM by Hodor2

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#183547: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:42:07 PM

Wondered the same thing with Ossoff. I really hope he wins but I'm expecting a horrible disappointment.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#183549: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:47:31 PM

[up][up] I, too, expect him to fail (and hard). If he wins, awesome, we might actually have a chance in the long run. If not, I didn't bother to get my hopes up, so I'm not too disappointed.

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#183550: Apr 18th 2017 at 5:49:48 PM

According to a professional campaigner who worked on both Obama elections and the grassroots arm of the administration, one of the biggest problems with the Hillary campaign, was that they they relied to much on trying to get people who agreed with them instead of engaging people who might of have agreed with them if they had listened to and addressed their concerns.

https://www.resistanceschool.com/session-two-1/

edited 18th Apr '17 5:53:06 PM by megaeliz


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