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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#183277: Apr 17th 2017 at 3:21:27 PM

I wonder if some of the economic anxitity might return when things fail to improve over the next few years, they can deny reality until they loose their job, then it becomes impossible.

Also it seems that the anxiety remains amongst some Republican voters, they can be targeted as possible voters to be swung to the Democrats.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#183278: Apr 17th 2017 at 3:32:56 PM

Apparently in campaigning, you rank potential voters on a scale of one to 5. 1 means they agree with you compleatly, while 5 means that they never will agree with you at all. What we want to target are those people in the middle.

The second lesson of "Resistance School" actually dealt with campaigning strategies and how to swing votes and is worth a listen. (Even if you're not American, as most of the strategies can be adopted anywhere)

https://www.resistanceschool.com/session-two-1/

edited 17th Apr '17 3:42:56 PM by megaeliz

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#183279: Apr 17th 2017 at 3:37:45 PM

[up]So we're going for the 3s, and if Trump continues to screw up, we can probably get a sizeable portion of the 2s as well. The 1s are pretty much a reality-denying lost cause, so don't even bother with them.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#183281: Apr 17th 2017 at 3:40:56 PM

Sounds about right, when I used to campaign in the UK we'd rank people based on a letter (either our party, our main opposition party or a general against) and a 1-5 scale, so an L5 would be a hardcore Labour Party supporter.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#183282: Apr 17th 2017 at 3:45:30 PM

Choir preaching but yet another study that shows, it was racism that helped Trump win

Not only did Hillary low ball the number (it's more than half) but deplorable is too nice of a word to describe them.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#183283: Apr 17th 2017 at 3:51:24 PM

"2016 was plainly an anomaly. While the wealthy are usually most likely to vote for the Republican, they didn’t this time; and while the poor are usually less likely to vote for the Republican, they were unusually supportive of Trump. And the degree to which the wealthy disdained the 2016 Republican candidate was without recent historical precedent."

As I have said and continue to say, both economic and social factors are essential to understanding what happened in 2016; trying to hold up either as the one true cause behind the Trump phenomena is a reductionist way of looking at it.

What was surprising to me was that Trump's voters actually were lower in terms of authoritarianism than previous Republican voting bases.

edited 17th Apr '17 3:53:40 PM by CaptainCapsase

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#183284: Apr 17th 2017 at 3:54:04 PM

[up]of course, neither of those factor run against each other, in fact I will said racism and authoritasim play along considering the regresive stand of the republican party

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#183285: Apr 17th 2017 at 3:55:18 PM

Although a majority of the wealthy rejecting Trump appears to be mostly because he's such a terrible businessman. The people who genuinely made their wealth from commerce know that Trump is a phony who knows nothing of genuine business practices and that if he's so bad at business after trying for decades, how could he possibly know anything about politics?

edited 17th Apr '17 3:56:05 PM by Zendervai

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#183286: Apr 17th 2017 at 3:57:30 PM

[up] I suspect it's less that and more them being unsure about whether or not Trump was actually on their team because of the mixed messages he was giving in regards to the welfare state and military-industrial complex. Now that he's in office and is basically implementing the standard GOP policy despite the grumblings from Bannon's faction, many of the wealthy Republicans have begun to warm up to him.

edited 17th Apr '17 3:58:09 PM by CaptainCapsase

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#183287: Apr 17th 2017 at 3:57:36 PM

trying to hold up either as the one true cause behind the Trump phenomena is a reductionist way of looking at it.

"I'm worried about losing my job to a goddamn, dirty Mexican. So I'm gonna vote for the conman who has a history of conning and offered no economic suggestions other than blaming brown people for everything."

And as for the wealthy, we know that they can't stand Trump as a person.

edited 17th Apr '17 3:58:30 PM by NoName999

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#183288: Apr 17th 2017 at 3:59:16 PM

[up] You assume that everyone in the electorate was sufficiently educated (and sufficiently engaged to do the research) to recognize Trump's bullshit for what it is. That's simply not the case for a great many people.

edited 17th Apr '17 3:59:58 PM by CaptainCapsase

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The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#183289: Apr 17th 2017 at 4:01:24 PM

Despite the fact that literally every reliable resource in the world has been telling them this till they were blue in the face. There is innocent ignorance, and willful ignorance.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#183290: Apr 17th 2017 at 4:02:19 PM

[up] To a large portion of the country Fox News is considered a reliable news source.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#183291: Apr 17th 2017 at 4:03:27 PM

[up] Yep. My father is a wealthy Mexican that listens to Fox News and voted for Trump.

(Then again this study was only done for white people. I'd be interested to hear how the study would go for minorities that voted for Trump.)

Although he now regrets his vote but he thinks that we'd be screwed in different ways if we voted for Hillary.

edited 17th Apr '17 4:04:37 PM by MadSkillz

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#183292: Apr 17th 2017 at 4:03:45 PM

Here's the thing

Even Fox News has been saying, "hey maybe this guy isn't such a good idea"

Not to mention, anyone who listens to one station ever, which stands against literally every other source of news, that person is willful.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#183293: Apr 17th 2017 at 4:04:42 PM

A lot of people only really see snippets of news and don't really dig too deep into information, they just get surface level stuff that the candidates and their campaigns bring up ad nauseaum like Hillary's emails.

Joe Sixpack doesn't necessarily know which sources are supposed to be reliable, and the ones he might consider to be might not actually be so, such as Fox News, because he was simply raised to believe the stuff they feed people is true.

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#183294: Apr 17th 2017 at 4:06:09 PM

And Joe Sixpack is allowed to vote on candidates who will pass legislation that will seriously screw people over.

Who was it said the best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter?

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#183295: Apr 17th 2017 at 4:06:25 PM

[up][up][up] During the primaries yes, but at that point Trump benefited from the insane number of candidates in the race.

[up] Churchill. Who also remarked that it's "the worst form of government...Besides all the others that have been tried."

edited 17th Apr '17 4:07:19 PM by CaptainCapsase

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#183296: Apr 17th 2017 at 4:06:48 PM

When people say Fox News, what they usually mean is the pundits like Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and the collection of talking heads on Fox and Friends, all of whom are hardcore Trump supporters. When Megan Kelly was critical of Trump, the pundits disavowed her and so did their audiences.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#183297: Apr 17th 2017 at 4:07:02 PM

Even Fox News has been saying, "hey maybe this guy isn't such a good idea".

Eh, sometimes. But not really. I see it on enough times that it's more like it gives a passing criticism of Trump so as not to seem too biased. And that happens rarely.

Not to mention, anyone who listens to one station ever, which stands against literally every other source of news, that person is willful.

Well there's more than one news source that fellates Trump like Breibart, the Drudge Report etc.

Personally, I find cable news to be misleading in general. I wouldn't listen to them unless it was for news outside politics.

edited 17th Apr '17 4:08:04 PM by MadSkillz

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#183298: Apr 17th 2017 at 4:08:40 PM

Also it's not like poor minorities have access to tons of information. So how were they able to see that Trump was a snake and the wwc couldn't?

I mean, if these coal workers were also part of a union, they should know that the Republicans have been trying to fuck over unions for decades.

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#183299: Apr 17th 2017 at 4:11:07 PM

There was one post that took some really innocuous titles, and converted them to look much more politically charged.

Like: "Girl successfully crowdfunds life-saving surgery" becomes "Girl had to beg for her life to random strangers on the internet because health care is so ridiculously expensive in America".

"Innovative little boy saves money for college working at a plastic recycling plant" becomes "Gross violation of labor laws is necessary for this child to afford basic higher education"

Like, seriously, all of these news articles reflect major societal problems that are presented as no problem at all because of hidden conservative bias.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#183300: Apr 17th 2017 at 4:14:52 PM

Also it's not like poor minorities have access to tons of information. So how were they able to see that Trump was a snake and the wwc couldn't?

Depends on the company they keep.

A lot of people get their information filtered down through people than the news.

[down] There's that too.

edited 17th Apr '17 4:16:39 PM by MadSkillz


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