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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
That and they would have no choice but to ration care, and even with higher taxes on the rich and corporations in CA and NY, you'd still likely have some premiums paid.
I know for instance in the Canadian system they definitely don't cover dental, vision and prescription. Some provinces have premiums to be paid too. And even then it's not really "free". But if you're low income or under 18 there are many things covered or subsidized. Maybe not as much as one would hope or think, but certainly on par with Medicaid.
That's the stuff a lot of people don't talk about, the nitty gritty of how most single payer system works. It's a hell of a lot more complicated under the hood.
edited 15th Apr '17 2:37:18 PM by TacticalFox88
New Survey coming this weekend!
Although perscription drugs are much less expensive in Canada, so they have less need for them to be covered.
Adam Savage is participating in the March For Science.
https://mobile.twitter.com/donttrythis/status/846410075577073664
edited 15th Apr '17 3:29:48 PM by megaeliz
@Capsace: Spencer is a genuine Nazi, though.
Personally, if you're going to work with groups like that, I'd say to do it backchannel. Tell Spencer to mobilize his party for singlepayer healthcare, you mobilize your party for the same, and avoid unnecessary Hitler Ate Sugar arguments while pushing it through. Refuse to legitimize the Nazis in public, however.
@others: That said, being able to work with political opponents of all stripes is a necessary trait in America's unique Congress, due to the way we have everything set up. It's not seen as the default when votes go strictly along party lines, like it is in the Westminster system, since the intent of our designers was to avoid enshrining partisanism into law. A strict cordon sanitaire isn't sensible because Congresscritters are free to vote on an issue by issue basis.
Here's the actual tweet
. All it suggests is that if even the alt-right favor single-payer, then it cant be as unpopular and impossible as some people think. I see no suggestion of "doing business with", "breaking bread" or compromising core values at all.
I have to call it out- there is a distinct anti-Sanders bias among some people here that goes beyond being reasonable...
This is almost literally Hitler Ate Sugar. It even shares some resemblance to a witchhunt for "deviant beliefs". I believe that I detect an intolerance for diversity of tactics or values on the left that deviates from some standard of "purity", calling into question the integrity of anyone who might cross some sort of invisible line. It reeks of No True Scotsman, and He Who Fights Monsters.
I really hope I'm wrong. Lets be careful, and apply the same level of skepticism to ourselves that we apply to others.
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
I've noticed that too.
I admire Bernie Sanders honesty and and persistence. He has been fighting for the middle and lower classes since he was mayor of Berlington, and has stuck to his beliefs harder than any politician I have ever seen.
Also this is great, trump running away from Tax March protesters.
edited 15th Apr '17 4:10:21 PM by megaeliz
X-Post from NK thread:
I am hearing [1]
that North Korea tried and failed to launch a missile. Anyone heard anything on social media? I am not well connected there.
edited 15th Apr '17 4:26:03 PM by ViperMagnum357
I have to call it out- there is a distinct anti-Sanders bias among some people here that goes beyond being reasonable... This is almost literally Hitler Ate Sugar. It even shares some resemblance to a witchhunt for "deviant beliefs". I believe that I detect an intolerance for diversity of tactics or values on the left that deviates from some standard of "purity", calling into question the integrity of anyone who might cross some sort of invisible line. It reeks of No True Scotsman, and He Who Fights Monsters. I really hope I'm wrong. Lets be careful, and apply the same level of skepticism to ourselves that we apply to others.
Thank you. I was about to point out that this was absurd from the actual tweet.
Some of the people here seem unaware of their own hypocrisy that they are knee deep in.
Accusations of splitting the party in two, demonizing the other candidate, latching onto little things to make them bigger and worse than they actually are, ignoring their own candidate's flaws, unwillingness to bend over for the other wing etc.
Spinning off this, and the WMG from earlier in the day, what of 2018/2020 election theme based upon this old gem:
edited 15th Apr '17 5:10:10 PM by CenturyEye
Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our livesYou know? I'll have to agree with the observation that the thread can be a bit harsher on Sanders than he deserves (although I have to say this time the outrage seems pretty justified). And, I'll repeat this thing I said yesterday
, because the damn fight is probably starting again:
And yes, in this case the Bernie side (again, that specific subset of them) is more responsible of causing problems by virtue of being the sore losers here, before anyone starts accusing me of golden mean fallacy.
BUT THE FUCKING PRIMARY IS OVER. So if someone from the other side starts something, it's on you to cut it: debate them when they make an argument, but if no one else is doing it, don't start with a pithy remark about "they don't get to 'x' with the responsibility they have for this mess" or "if they followed my side everything would be perfect now".
Also, venting is OK (unless mods say otherwise), but please make it clear it's venting.
edited 15th Apr '17 5:41:19 PM by IFwanderer
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
thank you for articulating this more clearly than I ever could.
The people who you are upset with a just a vocal minority even among Sanders supporters, I imagine mostly made up of teenagers and college kids. The people who are going to make a difference are the people who are attending town halls, advocating about issues and candidates, demanding that their elected officials listen to them, and voting in local elections.
edited 15th Apr '17 6:18:49 PM by megaeliz
And the sheer hypocrisy.
If this were literally any other democrat, there would be outrage and a bitchfest from outlets like TYT and Secular Talk
New Survey coming this weekend!It's less the harshness towards Sanders and more the irritating harshness towards Sanders supporters.
It's this thread's favorite target after Trump supporters.
Like some people here like to randomly bash Sanders supporters.
I'm fine with bashing the Bernie Bros. that went over to Trump.
But this thread is determined to alienate the people on the left.
It kind of reminds me of the DNC.
edited 15th Apr '17 11:43:18 PM by MadSkillz
Has this been mentioned before? Trump claims being the president makes him immune to Civil Lawsuits
It's probably an assumption that the president wouldn't do something so stupid as to land himself in such hot water. Incidentally, that logic didn't work for Bill Clinton, or at least he didn't think to try it. He settled, but the case certainly went father than the one Trump is trying to weasel out of, and on shakier ground. Trump's words are his own worst enemy here.
edited 16th Apr '17 12:38:07 AM by TheRoguePenguin
You're really going to talk about hypocracy? Come on Fox, you're a nice enough person but even you have to be able to recognise the huge anti-Sanders bias you have that can lead to some pretty blatantly hypocracy, Sanders could word for word quote Hillary and you'd still find a way to scream that he was trying to sell us out to Nazis.
Now onto the rise of left-wing fake news, logically the next target is centerist fake news for the died in the wool centerists, things like articles claiming that Sanders and Trump are working together to screw over minorities. I'd advise thouse committed centerists in the thread to make sure they don't accidentally end up sharing such fake news if it does start to show up.
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The problem with implementing it at a state level is that you end up with out of state people taking advantage of the service without contributing to it. I am not sure if there is a constitutional way to force contribution before participation.
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