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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#183002: Apr 15th 2017 at 6:17:42 AM

Besides, Trump will probably copyright that slogan if he hasn't already.

Disgusted, but not surprised
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#183004: Apr 15th 2017 at 6:33:24 AM

Isn't that usual for campaign slogans, though?

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#183005: Apr 15th 2017 at 8:40:22 AM

So Glenn Greenwald and The Intercept are still trying to pretend away the Russia story. Rather than giving them links I'll leave these two opinion pieces on what they've been up to which themselves contain the links to The Intercept articles if you should care to read that tripe.

Once again, Greenwald demonstrates that he only cares about American spying and American aggression. Russia? Russia can rule the world for all he seemingly cares.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#183006: Apr 15th 2017 at 8:44:37 AM

[up][up][up] He might struggle to get that application accepted. The slogan didn't originate with him, he's not the first to use it in political campaigns, so he cannot even claim originality of usage, and it uses common phrases that have been strung together in exactly that phrasing for a number of well-documented situations.

It'll be interesting to see how the US patent clerks deal with it.

Edited to add: Never mind, he's already been given the service mark for it (a service mark isn't the same thing as a trade mark, it's a trade mark on services rather than on goods). I still can't see how it can pass the distinctiveness test, however, but he's had it since 2012.

edited 15th Apr '17 8:55:59 AM by Wyldchyld

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#183007: Apr 15th 2017 at 8:55:40 AM

So Sanders' Twitter account decided to share this article which claims his movement and the alt-right are united on wanting single-payer. The article specifically cites alt-righters like Richard Spencer and Mike Cernovich.

Sanders, what are you doing? I get that you really want to believe that Americans want your pet project to happen. But sharing an article that puts you on the same side as Spencer and Cernovich? Why?

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#183008: Apr 15th 2017 at 8:55:55 AM

Words and phrases really shouldn't be copyrighted or trademarked.

It is the biggest bullshit of the US patent system.

[up]No I must fight the right wingers! No Sanders you are the right wing! And then Sanders was Alt-Right.

edited 15th Apr '17 8:59:50 AM by AngelusNox

Inter arma enim silent leges
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#183009: Apr 15th 2017 at 8:57:29 AM

I just had a long Twitter chat with a friend. The talk went over multiple topics, but it got me thinking of something. What do we value?

By that, what trait or quality do we view as most important in our prospective leaders above all others?

Is it policy? If so, on what regard? There were people who would've voted for Clinton without hesitation if not for fear of how she'd handle TPP. On the flip side, there are people who wanted Sanders for a perceived lack of corruption despite near identical platforms.

There are people who voted for Trump because they thought, be it despite or because of his blatant racism, he better represented their interests.

What is it for us here? What one thing is most likely to be a make or break?

For me, it's competence. Rightly or wrongly, I will willingly accept someone who takes the job seriously and shows they can do it even if I might otherwise disagree with them. It's the primary reason I supported Clinton throughout the election. Especially if Sanders' proposals were as pie in the sky as this thread made them seem (I'm utterly ignorant of economics so I'm not able to judge myself). If impeachment or worse were to happen, I'd willingly accept Pence. Despite the conversion therapy and religious fervor, at least he could do the job. Plus, it's not far removed from what we'd have expected from any Republican president we got.

But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

edited 15th Apr '17 9:00:12 AM by sgamer82

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#183010: Apr 15th 2017 at 8:59:55 AM

I want competency. I also want at least some moral leadership, by which I mean, a willingness to (at least publicly) disavow racism and other forms of bigotry.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#183011: Apr 15th 2017 at 9:05:46 AM

Words and phrases really shouldn't be copyrighted or trademarked.
tldr, they can't be, or at least not the way you're implying, but that argument doesn't really belong in this thread. There are a few OTC threads on copyright/intellectual property in general, take it to one of those if you want to go in-depth about it.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#183012: Apr 15th 2017 at 9:06:05 AM

I'm hesitant to put pure technocratic competency on a pedestal, at the expense of all else. I can't in good conscience say that I want a Chinese politburo grandee as a leader simply because they're good at, hypothetically, managing money on a macro scale. I would vote a genuinely well-intentioned politician who might not be the cream of the crop if they made a moral stand, disavowing racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc, was for the expansion of healthcare and economic safeguards, and the promotion of America as a good neighbor in the international community, if it meant forgoing a genius, hypercompetent bureaucrat to outdo all other bureaucrats who was also a horrible person with a fuck the poor, fuck minorities kind of mindset.

Horrible, competent people are the most dangerous, and can do the most damage because they con voters into thinking that their effectiveness as an administrator is worth the havoc they wreak with minorities, women, and the poor.

edited 15th Apr '17 9:07:52 AM by CrimsonZephyr

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#183013: Apr 15th 2017 at 9:13:05 AM

Sanders, what are you doing? I get that you really want to believe that Americans want your pet project to happen. But sharing an article that puts you on the same side as Spencer and Cernovich? Why?

You pretty much answered your own question. Not to mention that the uptick in support for single-payer across the board has been a pretty big news topic for the past few weeks.

Either way, probably not the smartest move from Sanders (to say the least), but not something I think that's worth burying him over.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#183014: Apr 15th 2017 at 9:15:39 AM

[up] He should've been buried over the fact that he stayed in past March 15th, sucking up money from broke college kids who thought he had a chance.

New Survey coming this weekend!
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#183015: Apr 15th 2017 at 9:17:15 AM

EDIT: That add post tab was open way too long, post no longer relevant.

edited 15th Apr '17 9:17:49 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#183016: Apr 15th 2017 at 9:19:05 AM

[up][up][up][up] I can see that, and because I can I can also appreciate that there are people who would see Mike Pence as potentially worse than Trump for the very things I cited (Conversion Therapy, religious right). Given a choice, I'd aim for a candidate that follows my morals, too. In fact, I did do that in voting for Clinton. If it's a choice between idiot and competent-but-iffy, I feel compelled towards the competent. The advantage of the idiot is, of course, that he's much more blatantly corrupt/evil than the competent one might be without being watched. But, for that very reason, I feel he has a lot more potential to do a lot of damage.

edited 15th Apr '17 9:19:18 AM by sgamer82

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#183017: Apr 15th 2017 at 9:24:48 AM

The obviously corrupt/evil type isn't going to stand up for anyone if they can help it. The competent-but-iffy is likely to have standards they won't cross.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#183018: Apr 15th 2017 at 9:25:14 AM

You pretty much answered your own question. Not to mention that the uptick in support for single-payer across the board has been a pretty big news topic for the past few weeks.

Either way, probably not the smartest move from Sanders (to say the least), but not something I think that's worth burying him over.

It might not be worth burying him over in and of itself, but it's another in long line of racially tonedeaf actions from him and the people around him. General rule—we don't make common ground with Neo-Nazis.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#183019: Apr 15th 2017 at 9:29:46 AM

[up] There's also the caveat that Spencer and his ilk would want to get rid of minorities first before getting single-payer. Whites-only "universal" coverage in other words.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#183020: Apr 15th 2017 at 9:32:01 AM

That's with all programs. The USA would have a social safety net on par, if not surpassing Norway and Sweden, if minorities weren't allowed to join.

And I mean that very very literally.

New Survey coming this weekend!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#183021: Apr 15th 2017 at 9:34:30 AM

[up] Wasn't that a big part of how the New Deal got through? Minorities being thrown under the bus?

edited 15th Apr '17 9:34:43 AM by M84

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vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#183022: Apr 15th 2017 at 9:37:43 AM

Actually, I heard spencer's call for Single Payer. He did say that the time for single-payer is now, even with minorities on the system, because single payer will make people more racially concious or something, I've yet to understand the reasoning here. "Single-Payer Healthcare"->"???"->"Race War Now".

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#183023: Apr 15th 2017 at 9:40:41 AM

[up] Wow. That is even dumber than what I thought was the case.

But it still kind of fits. He thinks single-payer will help lead to minorities getting booted out, which conveniently leaves the single-payer system for all of the good white folks.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#183025: Apr 15th 2017 at 9:44:31 AM

[up][up]Which is a part of what makes Sanders' Twitter account sharing that article so irresponsible. You don't say "look we agree" when the guy you are "agreeing" with is looking for a race war.

edited 15th Apr '17 9:46:04 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar


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