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#182826: Apr 13th 2017 at 4:28:16 PM

[up][up][up][up]That is the reason I call them "unicorn brigade" instead of saying something like "Bernie Bros", "progressives", etc. I am aware it's a (very vocal) minority, so I'm trying to make it clear that I'm addressing them and not everybody who belongs to the "Berniecrats" (most of whom I find to be very reasonable once we address common complaint "x" or "y").

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#182827: Apr 13th 2017 at 4:36:48 PM

[up][up][up] "Implementation of the preemptive U.S. plans, according to multiple U.S. officials, depends centrally on consent of the South Korean government. The sources stress that Seoul has got to be persuaded that action is worth the risk, as there is universal concern that any military move might provoke a North Korean attack, even a conventional attack across the DMZ."

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#182828: Apr 13th 2017 at 4:38:25 PM

[up]. Yeah, I get it. smile

edited 13th Apr '17 4:38:58 PM by megaeliz

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#182829: Apr 13th 2017 at 4:41:08 PM

[up][up] Must've missed that part, my bad.

Still doesn't mean I won't worry for the Citizens of South Korea, though.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#182830: Apr 13th 2017 at 4:41:13 PM

@North Korea: But Hillary's totally a warmonger you guys!

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#182831: Apr 13th 2017 at 4:51:47 PM

If they're provoked far enough, North Korea will level Seoul. Not with nukes — they don't have to. They've got enough conventional artillery pointed at it that they could do catastrophic damage before we could find and destroy all of it, even if we started with a surprise attack. There's no way in hell that South Korea would agree to a preemptive strike on North Korea unless either a) we can guarantee that North Korea won't retaliate (good luck with that one), or b) we have credible intelligence that a North Korean attack is eminent (in which case, all best are off anyway).

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#182832: Apr 13th 2017 at 4:56:15 PM

[up] There are ways around that. South Korea will hate us forever (with good reason), but the Trump administration could potentially do something that forces their hand.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#182833: Apr 13th 2017 at 4:59:12 PM

[up] And possibly Japan too, depending if North Korea fires missiles at them and if they reach them or not.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#182834: Apr 13th 2017 at 5:08:58 PM
Thumped: This post was thumped by the Stick of Off-Topic Thumping. Stay on topic, please.
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JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#182835: Apr 13th 2017 at 5:12:00 PM

Oh God, North Korea...

At this point, if it's a choice between a military coup and the destruction of Seoul, I'm totally for the coup. I would say impeachment, but I doubt that the Republicans have either the balls or the common sense to replace this jackass with the more rational Pence.

I don't really know if Mc Masters or Mattis or our military command has considered it, but they've seemed the sanest members of the Trump regime so far.

Edit: Hell of a page topper.

edited 13th Apr '17 5:12:19 PM by JBC31187

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#182836: Apr 13th 2017 at 5:12:15 PM

Why are we discussing this in the open anyway? If we wanted to fight North Korea shouldn't we keep these plans a secret?

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#182837: Apr 13th 2017 at 5:13:49 PM

[up]Yes. Yes we should.

Trump doesn't realize yet that people will hear and remember all the stupid the shit that he says.

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#182838: Apr 13th 2017 at 5:14:27 PM

[up][up]Best guess is several people on the inside know the score and are freaking the fuck out, leaking this to get it out there in the hope of either preventing this or giving everyone a head up to keep theirs down.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#182839: Apr 13th 2017 at 5:43:29 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Or the impact on the gaming industry, ESPECIALLY if Japan gets hit too as they one of the three main markets for video games (The other two being North America and Europe), many gaming companies and developers are based there and two of the three console makers (Nintendo and Sony) have their H Qs there. The gaming industry would crash overnight.

edited 13th Apr '17 5:49:56 PM by Bat178

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#182840: Apr 13th 2017 at 5:44:21 PM

I'm pretty sure the gaming industry is the least important thing that would be lost if Japan was nuked.

Oh really when?
Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#182841: Apr 13th 2017 at 5:45:47 PM

Probably what the alt-Right's base will care most about, though.

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A real bad hombre
#182842: Apr 13th 2017 at 5:50:32 PM

In the case of a war with North Korea, I'm kind of concerned about that nuclear threat being in a rather large West Coast metropolitan area.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#182843: Apr 13th 2017 at 5:52:39 PM

[up] They can't reach that far.

edited 13th Apr '17 5:52:45 PM by Bat178

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#182844: Apr 13th 2017 at 6:19:36 PM

White House Website asks the public to vote for which Departments and Agencies should be Reformed, and which Departments and Agencies should be axed. It's not just Departments that Republicans typically hate, though; 20 Departments, including the State Department and the Department of Homeland Security, and Hundreds of Agencies in these Departments, including the CIA and the Office of Management and Budget, are on that list.

I'm trying to find this survey myself and participate in it, though I'm having some trouble finding it.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#182845: Apr 13th 2017 at 6:21:01 PM

[up] Is ICE one of the agencies that can be voted to be axed?

edited 13th Apr '17 6:21:36 PM by Bat178

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#182846: Apr 13th 2017 at 6:22:48 PM

[up] I can't actually find the thing right now, but it actually might be, if the CIA and the Department of Homeland Security are there.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#182847: Apr 13th 2017 at 6:24:15 PM

[up]x4 They can hit Hawaii though, at least theoretically. And while the death toll might be lower if it's Honolulu instead of Los Angeles, either one would be horrific.

There's also the possibility of just shipping a nuke over on a boat. It would be a long shot since we would have a high chance of the US intercepting it at sea and North Korea doesn't have that many nukes to take that kind of risk, but it's not something I would rule out if they are truly desperate.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#182848: Apr 13th 2017 at 6:28:20 PM

We need to troll that poll by screwing with that vote

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#182849: Apr 13th 2017 at 6:28:38 PM

There's also the possibility of just shipping a nuke over on a boat. It would be a long shot since we would have a high chance of the US intercepting it at sea and North Korea doesn't have that many nukes to take that kind of risk, but it's not something I would rule out if they are truly desperate.

Or, it would be a longshot, if the Trump regime wasn't trying to defund the coast guard to pay for his stupid vanity project of a wall that can't do anything.

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#182850: Apr 13th 2017 at 6:30:11 PM

[up][up] That was my plan, although it'd be less Trolling and more Sincere Opinions that go completely against what Trump wants.tongue


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