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CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#182476: Apr 11th 2017 at 6:34:04 PM

[up][up][up]Ditto! At least wait until I graduate as mystagogue of The King in Yellow and fought alongside some Flying Spaghetti Monster militia before I go.

Plus, I doubt this'll encourage (more than one religion of) sectarian militias. That language is just so its not easy to strike down the law. A mosque'll never get a permit in practice.

edited 11th Apr '17 6:35:42 PM by CenturyEye

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#182477: Apr 11th 2017 at 6:37:23 PM

You don't even have to move to help. Here's a list of swing districts to help flip the house in 2018. Even if there's not one near you you can still help.

https://swingleft.org/district-resources

edited 11th Apr '17 7:49:51 PM by megaeliz

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#182478: Apr 11th 2017 at 6:38:07 PM

[up][up][up] I have no real opportunities to leave this state anytime soon. I can at least take solace that I live in the North of the State (Huntsville, specifically), and it's at least not as bad as much of the state can be.

Also, I lean more Libertarian, but I'm so disgusted with the Republican Party at this point that I'm never gonna vote for them again.

[up] Sadly, I am not in the South of Alabama to try and help swing the State blue (which, even with a Blue Tide, would be hard as hell for this state) in 2018. I'll try to vote for the Democrat Candidate for Governor, though I doubt they'd succeed.

edited 11th Apr '17 6:41:43 PM by DingoWalley1

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#182479: Apr 11th 2017 at 6:42:40 PM

Check out the list I linked to, there might be a swing district you can support in your state.

https://swingleft.org/district-resources

And here's flippables' watchlist of states that have state legislature and governors that are up for grasp in 2018, that have to potential to flip.

https://www.flippable.org/our-plan/

And here's sister district for good measure.

http://www.sisterdistrict.com/

edited 11th Apr '17 6:57:35 PM by megaeliz

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#182480: Apr 11th 2017 at 6:46:37 PM

Bat, if that's a joke, it's not funny. No, it is NOT FUCKING OKAY to ever suggest that nuking any part of the world off the map is ok. Goddammit there is a reason I come to this thread less than I used to and it's because of shit like this.

Jesus Christ there is a rising level of callousness that pops up in this thread that really grates on my nerves.

@Madskillz: Yeah, we should all totally move to other states just for the fact that YOU DEEM the Deep South lost, because you are the wisest in this thread. We should all do as you say, regardless of all other factors, and no liberals in the South should ever try and make the place they live in a better, more liberal world.

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#182481: Apr 11th 2017 at 6:51:30 PM

[up]While I agree on the idea, you may want to be a bit less rude while calling out others in the thread.

Speaking about places that have no hope of Democrats ever winning, at half the precincts counted, the special election in Kansas-04 (CPVI of R+15) is pretty much tied.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#182482: Apr 11th 2017 at 6:53:06 PM

Instead of complaining about this, instead check the links I provided. There are ways to win this, but we need to be smart, strategic, and above all, don't give in to hopelessness, and despair. Resist and Persist

"She was warned, she was given an explanation, neverless, she persisted."

edited 11th Apr '17 6:57:53 PM by megaeliz

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#182483: Apr 11th 2017 at 6:54:39 PM

[up]I'm being facetious, I just said that a place were dems supposedly shouldn't win has them pretty much tied with the republicans.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#182484: Apr 11th 2017 at 6:57:42 PM

[up][up][up][up] Sorry, it was my Deadpan Snarker coming out. Should have specified that.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#182485: Apr 11th 2017 at 6:59:24 PM

Yeah, we should all totally move to other states just for the fact that YOU DEEM the Deep South lost, because you are the wisest in this thread. We should all do as you say, regardless of all other factors, and no liberals in the South should ever try and make the place they live in a better, more liberal world.

Get over it. It's a suggestion not a command.

I'm sorry the Deep South is a hell-hole but it is what it and politically a Democrat is more useful in a swing district/state than in the deep red.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#182486: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:03:37 PM

Again, even if you don't live in a swing district there are ways to support one. If there is one near you, canvas for the democratic candidate, help people register to vote, etc.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14ribqbVN___88i5BoKXCt5u67NgNUB-aBly-IxjNO0Q/mobilebasic

If you don't live near one, you can still donate and phone bank. Or even try to spread the word.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14ribqbVN___88i5BoKXCt5u67NgNUB-aBly-IxjNO0Q/mobilebasic

edited 11th Apr '17 7:04:55 PM by megaeliz

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#182487: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:05:59 PM

[up][up]Yet Worthless Red Deep South Georgia and North Carolina were closer for the Dems than Glorious WWC Midwestern Swing States Ohio and Iowa last election.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#182488: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:11:09 PM

Yet Worthless Red Deep South Georgia and North Carolina were closer for the Dems than Glorious WWC Midwestern Swing States Ohio and Iowa last election.

???

North Carolina is a purple state and it isn't part of the Deep South.

South Georgia isn't a state. It's just a region. I could just as easily say that south Texas was closer for Hillary and inland California was closer for Trump.

edited 11th Apr '17 7:12:03 PM by MadSkillz

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#182489: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:12:03 PM

If there are other factors the Deep South can be lived in fine. But I totally understand someone wanting to not live there, now or ever. In many places it is unsafe to admit to not being republican, let alone gay. Yeah, there are places like that even in Deep Blue NY, but the difference is in a lot of the South that kind of harassment is encouraged by the state government.

Look at how many states were against gay marriage, for legislation that made it okay to refuse people because they were gay, to fire or kick them out of their homes. That is daily life for people there, for some people it would be better to write the state off because the state government and so many of it's citizens who vote for anyone with an (R) next to their name don't care, or actively hate minorities living there.

edited 11th Apr '17 7:18:18 PM by Wildcard

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#182490: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:17:01 PM

Madskillz, your entire post was, essentially, a call to GIVE UP. Doesn't matter if it was "just a suggestion", it was a stupid one that ultimately does not actually address any of the issues. People want their rights WHERE THEY ARE CURRENTLY LIVING.

Quite frankly, this smacks of that whole crackpot idea some libertarian guy had to get everyone to move to New Hampshire and make it a libertarian bastion. It's just as ridiculous when proposed with a liberal agenda; the people who already live there will resent you coming in and imposing your ideas, it's not a natural growth out of culture, and for the most part most of us are attached to where we live and would rather see it improved rather than just abandon it.

Also, "I'm sorry the south is a hell hole" is a fucking non answer. People should be making it not a hell hole, and leaving isn't the way to do that.

[up]Madskillz is basically saying we should all give up on the South, presumably forever, because things changing is impossible. This is ignoring the fact that many can't leave, for many, many reasons. All because It's more "strategic" to move to a swing state where you might not be able to find a job or a decent place to live. Nevermind that people who live in the Deep South are, in fact, frequently trying to make it a better place to live.

edited 11th Apr '17 7:19:25 PM by AceofSpades

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#182491: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:18:20 PM

[up][up][up] I said [Deep South] Georgia, not Deep [South Georgia]. What I said is that a so called "red, deep south" state was better for the Democrats than the most famous swing states (Iowa and Ohio) hell, even fucking Texas was closer than Iowa.

edited 11th Apr '17 7:18:29 PM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#182492: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:21:09 PM

@Ace: No one is calling people who choose or have to live there idiots. Just that the people who choose not to live because they find it awful are free to do so, and in so many cases they are right. It's better to be imposed for the outside anyway. If Alabama had their way gay marriage would still be an issue and it would take even more decades for lgbt civil rights of any kind to pass. I admire Deep South Democrats, they are fighting an uphill battle.

edited 11th Apr '17 7:25:49 PM by Wildcard

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#182494: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:25:06 PM

[up][up]That's not even the point of the original post being responded to.

Bat: Use the Sarcasm Mode pothole. Also, sarcastic Posadism isn't funny.

edited 11th Apr '17 7:25:34 PM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#182495: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:25:59 PM

@Wildcard: Ok, I didn't imply that anyone said anyone was an idiot, first off. Second, I was responding to Madskillz's assertion that the Deep South might as well be a lost cause, and that folks should move to swing states because it's "strategic" as regards the electoral map." I'm specifically referring to Madskillz's commentary as stupid. Not to assertions made about anyone's intelligence.

Third, what you brought up as "outside" is really "federal ruling" which isn't outside so much as simply a higher level of government, which does not necessarily depend on the electoral map. And wasn't mentioned by either myself or Madskilllz.

You're basically responding to an argument neither of us was really making. And frankly, "abandoning the South" is not a long term winning strategy as far as I'm concerned. Doing what Madskillz suggested is the surest way to make sure the South is literally nothing but an echo chamber.

[up]Yes, what he said. I'm not sure you even read either of our posts now, really.

edited 11th Apr '17 7:28:43 PM by AceofSpades

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#182496: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:27:46 PM

Madskillz, your entire post was, essentially, a call to GIVE UP. Doesn't matter if it was "just a suggestion", it was a stupid one that ultimately does not actually address any of the issues.

I don't think you understood what I was saying at all. I'm recommending a different tactic. A blue voter in a sea of red is just not that important. That's just the way the system works. Your voice gets ignored.

People want their rights WHERE THEY ARE CURRENTLY LIVING.

And I want a unicorn.

Quite frankly, this smacks of that whole crackpot idea some libertarian guy had to get everyone to move to New Hampshire and make it a libertarian bastion. It's just as ridiculous when proposed with a liberal agenda; the people who already live there will resent you coming in and imposing your ideas, it's not a natural growth out of culture, and for the most part most of us are attached to where we live and would rather see it improved rather than just abandon it.

Oh God, this reeks of some nativist BS.

I don't care about natural outgrowths of culture especially since many Americans see me as some transplant from Mexico despite being born here.

Also, "I'm sorry the south is a hell hole" is a fucking non answer. People should be making it not a hell hole, and leaving isn't the way to do that.

Um, actually it does help. You help swing the purple states to blue then you're less likely to end up with a Donald Trump.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#182497: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:28:02 PM

@Ace: I'm saying it's alright for people to give up and move away from the South if they find it awful and I see why so many people don't find it distasteful to joke about giving up on it. I get your point about the Federal Government and alright the Swing States idea wasn't tastefully worded.

Also, the South in many places is already an echo chamber of bad ideas.

edited 11th Apr '17 7:32:15 PM by Wildcard

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#182498: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:30:24 PM

OK, Decision Desk has called the Kansas race for the GOP candidate. but the race shifted from a 60-27-others for the GOP last year to a 52-46-others now. Can anybody say Blue Wave 2018?

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#182499: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:31:33 PM

[up]And that was with the GOP pouring massive last minute resources into the race.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#182500: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:33:57 PM

Madskillz is basically saying we should all give up on the South, presumably forever, because things changing is impossible.

Nope, I didn't say that either.

This is ignoring the fact that many can't leave, for many, many reasons.

Does it really need to be said? Of course if you don't have the means to leave then stay.

All because It's more "strategic" to move to a swing state where you might not be able to find a job or a decent place to live.

This assertion is nonsense. I'm not suggesting and have never suggested that someone run to a swing district even if that means not being able to find a job or a decent place.

I am not advocating for kamikaze voters.

Nevermind that people who live in the Deep South are, in fact, frequently trying to make it a better place to live.

And you know many of those people think that making it a better place is by running out Po C.

edited 12th Apr '17 1:58:12 AM by MadSkillz


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