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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#182101: Apr 9th 2017 at 3:03:24 PM

Syria is a Russian client state, and the Alt-Right worships Putin.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#182104: Apr 9th 2017 at 3:14:39 PM

[up]You're a little late, dude.

edited 9th Apr '17 3:14:54 PM by PhysicalStamina

i'm tired, my friend
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#182105: Apr 9th 2017 at 3:14:58 PM

I'd be okay with seeing Richard Spencer getting punched every time he opens his mouth.

It's been fun.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#182106: Apr 9th 2017 at 3:23:02 PM

I don't trust the US to do any sort of military intervention at all, and again, I find it disgusting that the people in charge of the Democratic party like Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and Hillary Clinton support this imperialist nonsense. Don't understand at all how people liked Hillary over Bernie Sanders.

Well there's a nuanced, deep look at US foreign policy and the situation in Syria. Guess we should just sit around and watch Assad gas his own populace.

As for how we liked Clinton over Sanders...not hard. Not when you compare their accomplishments side by side.

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#182107: Apr 9th 2017 at 3:47:28 PM

We should, in general, stop equating every instance of foreign military intervention with "imperialism," especially this one, which, while bullheaded, disproportionate, and ultimately fruitless, was in response to a war crime. We're going to dilute the term to meaninglessness otherwise.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#182108: Apr 9th 2017 at 3:47:30 PM

The problem with most American interventions is not the intervention... it's that we're Americans. Everything we do is impulsive, judgmental, and forgotten as soon as the news cycle moves on (even the good things).

edited 9th Apr '17 3:47:50 PM by DeMarquis

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#182109: Apr 9th 2017 at 4:00:28 PM

This was from a few days ago but warrants a mention. "Ivanka's secret Planned Parenthood outreach"

https://secure.politico.com/story/2017/04/ivanka-trump-planned-parenthood-outreach-236940

edited 9th Apr '17 4:00:43 PM by megaeliz

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#182110: Apr 9th 2017 at 4:15:12 PM

I never understood how trying to prevent war crimes is apparently now imperialism. It has always struck me as a case of people caring more about the principle of non-intervention over the real lives of people in the developing world. I don't trust Trump to do anything in Syria other than be imperialistic, but I could have trusted Clinton to try and help the Syrian people make the country better and safer.

You know America often uses preventing war crimes as an excuse to advance its imperialistic ambitions. Republican or Democrat, the foreign policy is often similar.

And yes with Trump at the helm, it's doubly wise to be extremely wary. This is the guy that wants to take other country's natural resources to use it for America.

I still don't trust Hillary though.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#182111: Apr 9th 2017 at 4:19:12 PM

I still don't trust Hillary though.

Serious Question I've Asked Often: Is that even relevant now? I've said before, any trust, or lack thereof, became irrelevant as soon as it was her vs Trump. That's even more true now. She's out. She's, at best, a glorified cheerleader.

edited 9th Apr '17 4:20:54 PM by sgamer82

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#182112: Apr 9th 2017 at 4:19:57 PM

Trying to reduce American foreign policy to just imperialism or advocating isolationism in general is insultingly naive and ignorant of how the real world and people in general operate.

This is why pragmatists and realpolitik runs our foreign policy and our government in general.

Your feels and ideology aren't going to get the job done or advance Americas interests or keep global stability.

New Survey coming this weekend!
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#182113: Apr 9th 2017 at 4:34:13 PM

Feelings are simple. Policy is complicated. And foreign policy is one of the most complex realms there is.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#182114: Apr 9th 2017 at 4:40:33 PM

Republican or Democrat, the foreign policy is often similar.

Often yes, but general comparisons are foolish when dealing with the presidency, compare the policies of Reagan and Bush to Clinton and Obama, comprise Trump to Hillary, you get very different policies in a number of important areas. Yes you still get overlap and similararities (drone usage, policy towards Saudi Arabia).

It doesn't matter that there are similarities between Generic Republicans and Generic Democrats when it comes to foreign policy, what matters is the very real difference that exist between actual democrat candidates and actual republican candidates.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#182115: Apr 9th 2017 at 4:52:10 PM

[up] I have to agree with that. Honestly, if we ever had a situation where the Republican seemed sane but the Democrat was Liberal Trump, I'd probably go for the Republican largely for the competence factor. I've come to realize that, rightly or wrongly, I value the ability to actually do the job above everything else.

edited 9th Apr '17 4:52:46 PM by sgamer82

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#182117: Apr 9th 2017 at 5:34:08 PM

[up]There is a separate thread for Capital Punishment.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#182118: Apr 9th 2017 at 5:34:24 PM

Trump officials told Russia to drop its support for Assad.

Seems like Trump wants to get ready to invade to help his approval.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#182119: Apr 9th 2017 at 5:39:11 PM

[up] Yeah, that's certainly going to happen.(/s)

Wonder how the Alt-Right can keep spinning "The Syria attack was a Deep State job!" when Trump is literally going to go to war over it.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#182120: Apr 9th 2017 at 5:46:37 PM

A nice overview of Congress' reactions to Trump Airstikes by Teen Vogue.

http://www.teenvogue.com/story/trump-missile-strike-syria-obama/amp

Has anyone noticed that between the Celebrity and tv drama posts, Teen Vogue has really been stepping up there game when it comes to things like politics, social issues, and activism?

Another article about propaganda techniques that Trump is using to misdirect, and shift the blame.

http://www.teenvogue.com/story/trump-susan-rice-whataboutism-thigh-high-politics/amp

edited 9th Apr '17 5:49:08 PM by megaeliz

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#182121: Apr 9th 2017 at 5:46:55 PM

[up][up]You're supposed to take the President of the United States seriously but not literally or something like that...

[up]I only took note of them suddenly appearing on the political radar during the election, but now I wonder...

edited 9th Apr '17 5:48:42 PM by CenturyEye

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#182122: Apr 9th 2017 at 5:52:40 PM

Once you get beyond the articles about river dale and Kim Kardashian's Butt shaped floatie (no seriously, http://www.teenvogue.com/story/kim-kardashian-butt-shaped-pool-float/amp ), many of there articles are intelligent insightful, and worth a read.

Also consider calling your MOC (particularly if they are republican) to support this bill protecting federal workers wages in the increasingly more likely event of a Government Shutdown.

http://m.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2017/04/senate-democrats-introduce-bill-protecting-federal-employee-pay-ahead-possible-shutdown/136863/

edited 9th Apr '17 6:13:06 PM by megaeliz

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#182123: Apr 9th 2017 at 6:12:57 PM

[up][up] I saw an interview with the head of Teen Vogue and she said, basically, that it's idiotic to assume that just because someone's a teen and interested in fashion and makeup that they aren't interested in politics, and anyway, politics is really important and that they should make an effort to help teens be politically active and informed.

It turns out though that the magazine has kind of always been like that, splitting their attention between the fashion and makeup stuff and things that are generally considered by "serious people" to be actually important. They're also kind of difficult to go after, if only because a majority of their advertisers are European fashion companies. It also helps that the usual fringe nuts aren't going to touch a magazine like that with a ten foot pole. The Alt-Right certainly isn't, and the radical left probably won't either.

edited 9th Apr '17 6:14:19 PM by Zendervai

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#182124: Apr 9th 2017 at 6:45:43 PM

Pres. Trump finally notifies Congress on his Air Strike in Syria, and says that his administration will take further actions "as necessary".

Well, we're definitely going to be bombing the hell out of Syria, like we did with Libya. Question is, how far is Trump willing to go into Syria?

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#182125: Apr 9th 2017 at 7:20:08 PM

Remember, Hillary was the warmonger who'd drag the US into needless wars and antagonize Russia.

I really want to roll some news magazines and smack the faces of everyone who spouted that crap.

edited 9th Apr '17 7:20:21 PM by AngelusNox

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