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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#181926: Apr 8th 2017 at 8:40:54 AM

Well, it depends on which haters you're talking about. There were Clinton Foundation donors who got special access at the state department, concerning wall street ties, and other legitimate reasons not to like Clinton.

No there weren't. This got debunked about a million times during the election and I'm rather saddened that no one else is the thread bothered to call you on this horseshit.

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#181927: Apr 8th 2017 at 8:41:12 AM

[Medium (your morning peanuts)] A Blue Way Forward: Two Democratic Candidates Map Out the Future of Democratic Campaigns. This article gives a short examination of how the special races in Georgia and Montana (and especially, the Democratic candidates running) could change the way the Democratic Party runs campaigns in the future.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#181928: Apr 8th 2017 at 8:41:19 AM

No one ever said that the rich didn't deserve the wealth that they are getting.

Well, a lot of rich people are born into rich families so they weren't exactly the ones who created the wealth in the first place so assigning them the label of some self-made man is factually incorrect.

That's not to say that I have a problem with people inheriting wealth or anything. Just, y'know, don't be a dick like Donnie.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#181929: Apr 8th 2017 at 8:42:20 AM

Yeah, I'm not sure I even buy the idea about Trump ever having been Putin's puppet or Putin having blackmail material on Trump. Trump is awful, but I think a lot of the accusations about him and Russia are mostly just Democrats being (understandably) bitter that they lost.

First recycling "Clinton is corrupt" memes, now claiming that Trump doesn't have ties to Russia. You sure you're on the side you claim to be on?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#181930: Apr 8th 2017 at 8:42:27 AM

[up][up] At the very least, don't claim to be a Self-Made Man if you inherited your wealth. And don't be a dick about inheritance taxes.

[up] The Both-siderism is strong with this one. I'd have called them out but you do such a better job at calling out Clinton conspiracy nutjobs.

edited 8th Apr '17 8:43:39 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Advarielle Homicidal Editor Since: Aug, 2016
Homicidal Editor
#181931: Apr 8th 2017 at 8:45:37 AM

What I typed in my previous post:

People said that it's too pessimistic, but this administration has never fail to prove its unyielding determination to make me more pessimistic with each passing day.

I know that you can do it, Trump. You never disappoint me in this aspect and I don't even have to wait for a day to pass first, too. Even Obama can't deliver results this fast. Ugh...

EDIT: [up](5X) It just keep on appearing in this forum and other places, too. So, it's a bit tiring to respond to this kind of stuff from time to time. It's not like this kind of stuff can get a hold here. Most people here believe "Clinton is corrupt" meme is bullshit or don't matter when her opponent is Trump.

edited 8th Apr '17 8:51:38 AM by Advarielle

Only an experienced editor who has a name possesses the ability to truly understand my work - What 90% of writers I'm in charge of said.
nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#181932: Apr 8th 2017 at 8:48:29 AM

Oh, China is gonna love the US putting nukes in SK. Coz that worked out so well back when the Russians tried to do it at Cuba....

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#181933: Apr 8th 2017 at 8:55:37 AM

[up]Well, keep in mind that Trump isn't actually doing it yet, he's just thinking of doing it. Which is enough to cause China to raise some serious eyebrows, but there's still some time to peddle backwards before we can't do a takeback.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#181934: Apr 8th 2017 at 9:02:58 AM

Honestly, deploying nuclear weapons on the Korean pennisula (the US can already drop a nuke anywhere on Earth) is less scary than the other options mentioned. Directly targeting Kim or sending in South Korean and US special forces to raid critical infrastructure would, at least, cause North Korea to shell South Korea into dust before Southern/American/Japanese retaliation does the same to them. And if China gets hauled in, at the very least Asia and the Pacific region are going to have a bad day.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#181935: Apr 8th 2017 at 9:07:28 AM

Is there any benefit for the intelligence agencies to lie about the Trump-Russia connection? What's in it for them? As I recall, even the FBI which is more pro-trump compared to the rest agreed with the assessment.

math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#181936: Apr 8th 2017 at 9:11:10 AM

So let's make a tally here. So far, Donnie is on course to piss off China, Russia and North Korea in one fell swoop.

All he's missing is putting nukes in Bangladesh and openly supporting Le Pen and he will officially have pissed off every non-Anglophone nuclear power on the planet.

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#181937: Apr 8th 2017 at 9:11:14 AM

[up][up]Something something, Snowden, Greenwald, Alex Jones.

Tulsi Gabbard is skeptical that the Assad regime was behind the nerve agent attack. This despite the only people capable of deploying them in such a manner being the Russians or the Syrians.

Asked if she would change her mind if the Pentagon would present her with hard evidence that Assad was behind the chemical attack, the lawmaker replied "no."

#woke

edited 8th Apr '17 9:11:34 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#181938: Apr 8th 2017 at 9:13:07 AM

[up] And this is the person "progressives" thought would be a good Rep for Hawaii because she said nice things about Sanders.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#181939: Apr 8th 2017 at 9:18:15 AM

Something tells me that Trump might create something topping even the Cuban M Issile Crisis...the World Missile Crisis...

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#181940: Apr 8th 2017 at 9:24:06 AM

[up]What, did that switch snap or something? If there is such a thing as a World Missile Crisis, we are already living in one. The major nuclear powers already can end civilization as we know it without having to ship missiles around.

How the claims of the Idlib nerve agent attack being a false flag came to the US, courtesy of Fucking Global Research. Oh, and the alt-right.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#181941: Apr 8th 2017 at 9:25:12 AM

[up]...Then just the Korean Missile Crisis.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#181943: Apr 8th 2017 at 9:47:02 AM

I'm convinced the Russian reaction to American unilateralism is a pantomime act designed to complement Russian direction of American unilateralism to distract from Russian influence in American policy.

It's all tradecraft. Putin is selling a mole by pretending to be an angry customer.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#181944: Apr 8th 2017 at 9:50:40 AM

And this is the person "progressives" thought would be a good Rep for Hawaii because she said nice things about Sanders.

It would surprise you to know that she actually has good opinions besides supporting Sanders and the Assad stuff didn't come out until after she was already latched onto.

I don't actually like Tulsi though. She's an opportunist. Still, I can't help but nod my head at some of her opinions and actions.

Like Tulsi is against TPP and she's also for a revival of the Glass-Steagall Act, she's against the Iraq War, she's against making arms deals with Saudi Arabia who funds terrorism, she went to Standing Rock to help the protests, she opposes cutting benefits for Medicare and SS, has proposed some good immigration bills etc

Where she loses me "bigly" is the blatant homophobia she showed a little over a decade ago when she has stated that the government shouldn't cater to homosexual extremists in concerns to same-sex marriage. Then there's also her Islamaphobia.

I'd call her an improvement over Manchin if she was Senator in West Virginia but since she's in Hawaii then I'm supportive of her getting primaried by someone better.

edited 8th Apr '17 9:51:41 AM by MadSkillz

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#181947: Apr 8th 2017 at 10:06:25 AM

The FBI blatantly revived the email scandal when there was zero grounds to do so, timed for maximum political effect. Meanwhile they were in the early stages of investigating Trump and co, and stayed quiet about that.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Advarielle Homicidal Editor Since: Aug, 2016
Homicidal Editor
#181949: Apr 8th 2017 at 10:14:39 AM

@Mad Skillz: I see no point or merit of defending someone like Tulsi Gabbard. If you're defending her because she gives the progressives a bad name, have you consider the fact that it's easier for the progressives to, you know, throw her under the bus instead of defending and supporting her. Not to mention, she is in Hawaii, a state that clearly don't need a democrat like her.

@vast-ocean: You can remove the "if" part in the sentence about Trump and add it into the Clinton. I'm not responding to this part of your comment before because it's boring to type the same response to the same comment over and over again. I just want to ask you one question: Why do you believe that the reports about Hillary is corrupt is genuine, but still have question whether or not Trump is corrupt despite all the reports that confirm that he is indeed corrupt?

As for the Democrats is the lesser of two evils, I think that it's a bit too harsh to them. If you think about it, all the reprehensible stuff that the Democrats do in your list is either pragmatism or forced onto them by the Republicans. Not saying that this is fine and shouldn't be changed, but at the moment I think pragmatism is more important than idealism.

EDIT: Don't you think you're being a little too into the conspiracy nutjob stuff with the Hillary here? Clinton is working with the FBI now? For what exactly? To not get elected?

edited 8th Apr '17 10:19:53 AM by Advarielle

Only an experienced editor who has a name possesses the ability to truly understand my work - What 90% of writers I'm in charge of said.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#181950: Apr 8th 2017 at 10:15:02 AM

Edit: NVM, I misread.

edited 8th Apr '17 10:19:27 AM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!

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