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#181651: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:58:46 PM

Is it possible that this action was designed to distract people from some nefarious domestic policy stunt or something like that?

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#181652: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:59:31 PM

[up] Nah, just Trump being Trump, that's all.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#181653: Apr 6th 2017 at 11:09:25 PM

I'm guessing this isn't new.

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Bat178 Since: May, 2011
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#181655: Apr 6th 2017 at 11:29:32 PM

The fuck is wrong with you, Australia and Israel:

The fuck is wrong with them I think is that they believe the Syrian gas attack did merit a response, and I gotta side with Drumpf on this, he responded in such a quick and aggressive way. Was tomahawks the way to go? Me, personally, I thought it would have either come sooner or Trump would not care, his response and the level of his response is signature of Trump using a sledgehammer rather than a scalpel. I think I'm with Australia and Israel in dealing with a problem that had really been there for years if we look at the influence in the media in having stand ins for the conflict, it may be a little extreme, but Bill Clinton I think did the same thing and even if the world is a lot more volatile now I still don't think it will be world ending like some may be fear mongering.

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#181656: Apr 6th 2017 at 11:32:34 PM

I checked out John Pavlovitz's blog. It gave me some food for thought. [tup]

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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#181657: Apr 6th 2017 at 11:37:28 PM

It is very much a stopped clock moment for Trump, although the alleged lack of coordination with the US military is worrying. Well, that and this being several years late.

It's not about to stop me from laughing at every last damned idiot who insisted that the man who advocated looting Iraqi oil would stay out of the Middle East.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#181658: Apr 6th 2017 at 11:39:41 PM

The UK too, although they like to suck the US's dick, joined in the Iraq War and are also currently run by crazy right-wingers, so it's not surprising with them: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/07/us-air-strike-syria-world-reacted-donald-trumps-decision-intervene/amp/

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#181659: Apr 6th 2017 at 11:44:48 PM

While a response was needed

1) He probably should have coordinated with the military better

2) Probably should have run it by Congress

3) Maybe the chemical attack wouldn't have happened in the first place if he hadn't recently claimed the USA wouldn't interfere with Assad and Russia.

It's not about to stop me from laughing at every last damned idiot who insisted that the man who advocated looting Iraqi oil would stay out of the Middle East.

Same here.

edited 6th Apr '17 11:46:04 PM by M84

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#181660: Apr 6th 2017 at 11:45:00 PM

I mean Assad has called Israel their number one enemy so of course Is real is all for anything that hurts Assad

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#181661: Apr 6th 2017 at 11:45:06 PM

As much as I'd rather the US dick around less in foreign wars, someone's got to do something to enforce international law when it comes to things like banned weapons or those laws are toothless. I'd rather the response be multilateral rather than unilateral as the US has been wont in recent history and I'd rather it not be Drumph (please oh please let the experts grab the reins on this). But I have less of a problem with retaliating against the Assad regime than I have with the who and the how of it happening.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#181662: Apr 6th 2017 at 11:47:59 PM

Russia has called the airstrike a violation of international law and says it has hurt Russian-American relations: http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1790NU?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

edited 6th Apr '17 11:48:52 PM by Bat178

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#181663: Apr 6th 2017 at 11:49:23 PM

Ok. Listen.

I know Assad is an asshole. I know he had it coming. I know it's great someone stands up to him and puts a stop on his genocidal asshatery.

But bombing ain't the solution to building a nation. Not at this stage. Not at a stage where Syria is still fractioned, where there is no one to take over if Assad is removed, where there is no infraestructure to rely upon...just bombing Assad out of power will do the exact same thing that happened in Iraq. It's going to leave a vacuum that desperate desolate people and warring tribes will take over because there is nothing else anyone could possibly have.

Bombing alone cuz' Assad was doing one of his many asshatery stuff is not something laudable, and while yes, I agree some elements will have to be removed by brute force as it has always been in the case of revolutions, it's not a decision that coming from outside will yield a positive influence.

Some Syrians may rejoice of course at seeing Assad taken down but if he's not there, and no one else is there to put order, then the person who will take power is whoever has more guns at a given moment. Bombs aren't needed in Syria, it's ground forces.

Ultimately, Putin and Trump can jsut bomb more, say they've done their work, and years or months later when some extremist groups pop up everyone will be left wondering HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN. WE KILLED THE BAD GUY!

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#181664: Apr 6th 2017 at 11:51:52 PM

[up] One of the oldest rules in engagement: you can bomb all you want, but you don't control anything if you don't have boots on the ground.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#181665: Apr 7th 2017 at 12:10:03 AM

I wonder whatever happened to UN-led coalitions. (Besides the fact Russia and America have security council vetos...)

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#181666: Apr 7th 2017 at 12:12:57 AM

From the New York Times:

Richard Spencer, a far-right activist and white nationalist who coined the term “alt-right,” said he condemned the attack and hinted at supporting another presidential candidate in 2020: Representative Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii, a Democrat.

[lol][lol][lol]

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#181667: Apr 7th 2017 at 12:13:27 AM

Veto power.

Exception was the intervention in the balkans, where Russia allowed it for a bevy of reasons present at the time. But consider all the feet dragging that happened in for example Rwanda and you could understand.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#181668: Apr 7th 2017 at 12:16:51 AM

If Gabbard becomes the Democratic candidate in 2020 somehow...ugh.

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#181669: Apr 7th 2017 at 12:25:02 AM

I really hope that doesn't happen.

Is it too much to ask for a normal person with a humble background to run for President anymore?

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#181670: Apr 7th 2017 at 12:35:11 AM

Something wrong with Gabbard?

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Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#181671: Apr 7th 2017 at 12:41:54 AM

Gabbard's been discussed several times here. She's an opportunist DINO with some really sketchy backgrounds, particularly in regards to LGBT rights who is nonetheless idolized by some far leftists because she endorsed Bernie in the primaries.

With any luck, being endorsed by mini-Hitler there will disillusion some of them with her.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#181672: Apr 7th 2017 at 12:43:33 AM

[up][up] Imagine someone who is everything HRC's detractors claim she is, but worse. Who is also an apologist for Assad. Someone who is a soulless opportunistic grifter. That's Gabbard.

[up][nja]

@Bearyscary

Sadly, normal people with humble backgrounds either aren't able to gain the support of the rich and powerful and the ideologues and/or have the good sense not to run for a position of unfathomable responsibility and power in the first place. You couldn't pay me enough to run for President. Especially if there was a chance I might actually get the job.

edited 7th Apr '17 12:47:00 AM by M84

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#181673: Apr 7th 2017 at 12:46:04 AM

Oh.

Well, let's hope for Warren at least.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#181674: Apr 7th 2017 at 12:47:45 AM

[up] She's not going to run unless there is nobody else willing to do so. She doesn't want to be President. There's a reason she didn't run for the 2016 election.

edited 7th Apr '17 12:48:35 AM by M84

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#181675: Apr 7th 2017 at 12:49:52 AM

[up]So, what are the most possible candidates at the moment? And good or respectable ones at least?

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