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ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#181601: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:23:02 PM

[up][up][up][up]Thanks-I do not have the stomach to trawl that sewage.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#181602: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:23:23 PM

Mc Master says the strike in Syria did not stop Assad's ability to carry out future attacks: https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/850177474365448196

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#181603: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:23:58 PM

[up]x4 See also: their freaking the fuck out over the anti-privacy bill and begging Trump to save them by vetoing it. Which he didn't do.

[up][up][up] Which is what made it so damn easy for people to project their own interests on him. Populism 101.

edited 6th Apr '17 8:25:01 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#181604: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:24:43 PM

@Kostya

Given their love of Putin they may well have believed that the "evil libtard" would do it in order to stick it to an alt-right hero. Now they're having to wrap their heads around why their Glorious Leader has done it and are failing.

edited 6th Apr '17 8:26:56 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#181605: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:27:29 PM

Why do the alt-right hate this so much? They didn't seriously think Trump wouldn't attack anyone did they?

Basically they see America's Middle-eastern wars as a way for Jews/globalists to profit by weakening the surrounding powers and enemies of Israel.

In their heads, the US is a complete cuck to Israel because of the globalists/Jews.

So another middle-eastern war is proof they were fooled.

The really just want to leave the middle-east to its own devices even if that means more of them die because they don't care about helping Muslims out. It's a waste of resources and manpower to them.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#181606: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:27:48 PM

A lot of people in my Twitter feed (bubble, I know) get the feeling that Trump did this as a way of rebuffing the "Russiagate" stuff. Because everyone assumes that Russia wouldn't be cool with the strike and Russia is maintaining that pretense publicly, so now Trump can argue that there's no credibility in the idea he's a Russian puppet and a lot of people will believe him.

edited 6th Apr '17 8:28:13 PM by Hodor2

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#181607: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:28:07 PM

[up][up][up] I gotta admit, imagining their heads popping like grapes from the strain is rather cathartic.

[up] Man, if Russia really did spend a ton of money on propaganda to help Trump win, they must be feeling a bit of buyer's remorse now.

edited 6th Apr '17 8:29:26 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#181608: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:28:59 PM

I always thought that was just a convenient smear to rile up left-wing people. I didn't think they actually believed it.
Her hawkishness (or perception thereof) has been a major issue for a while, going back to 2008 primary. So it provided the avenue for the hysteria about Syria to creep in. Although Clinton recommending a similar course of action to the one we've just got doesn't exactly help.

edited 6th Apr '17 8:31:12 PM by Eschaton

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#181609: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:31:22 PM

[up][up] Honestly, probably not. Throwing Syria to the dogs is a small price to pay if it means their principle geopolitical rival ends up even more of an international pariah than Russia already is. Even better would be if that rival takes down the other most significant long term rival of Russia's (China) with it.

edited 6th Apr '17 8:32:09 PM by CaptainCapsase

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#181610: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:31:47 PM

Man, if Russia really did spend a ton of money on propaganda to help Trump win, they must be feeling a bit of buyer's remorse now.

That buyer's remorse started setting in awhile ago. For a long time during the election RT and other such channels were constantly blaring about how Trump was the one man who had a chance of fixing the US and were fawning over him, but that started to get pretty ragged as of late January and had died out entirely sometimes last month, at least according to what I hear.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#181611: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:31:49 PM

@Eschaton TBF, HRC never said she would never do something like this during her campaign.

@Cap Except Syria is pretty much their only ally in that region. They need Assad. They know it and Assad knows it. At least, that what's Knit Tie from the Russia thread believes.

edited 6th Apr '17 8:34:17 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#181612: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:33:23 PM

Clinton wanted to go in and get Assad in 2011, and that might have worked. Now, its too late and Russia is entrenched there.

As for this winning Trump reelection, BS. Trump will live and die by domestic policy, if anything this only hurts him.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from πŸ€” Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#181613: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:33:40 PM

I have to wonder, how much of recent political events as well as the polarization is a result of conditioning?

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#181614: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:33:56 PM

Well thank you guys for informing me I was wrong about Trump supporters reactions. I'm happy to be wrong in this case.

edited 6th Apr '17 8:34:18 PM by Wildcard

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#181615: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:34:33 PM

Now seems like the perfect time to pull out this Tom Lehrer classic, to cheer everybody up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TIoBrob3bjI

edited 6th Apr '17 8:37:59 PM by megaeliz

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#181616: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:35:04 PM

As for this winning Trump reelection, BS. Trump will live and die by domestic policy, if anything this only hurts him.

Kinda have to agree with that. Trump's entire platform has been about what he's going to do domestically, a lot of the people who voted for him want their lives to get better and that's pretty much it, they don't care about what happens in Syria or elsewhere.

edited 6th Apr '17 8:35:51 PM by Draghinazzo

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#181617: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:35:27 PM

[up][up][up] If Trump doesn't escalate things further, they'll settle down and decide it was Trump and Putin's secret plan all along. Which isn't entirely impossible; Syria gets punished for hiding chemical weapons from Russian inspectors without Russia having to bloody its hands, it provides good cover for diplomatic overtures towards the arch enemy of the Arab world (Israel), and mitigates the accusations that Trump has an inappropriate relationship with Russia.

edited 6th Apr '17 8:37:30 PM by CaptainCapsase

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#181618: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:36:45 PM

[up] A plan that involved Assad unleashing chemical weapons on people? The same ones Russia had already claimed they helped remove?

Disgusted, but not surprised
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#181619: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:36:58 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] We're all glad that you're wrong, not that we have anything against you.smile

Then again, there are still 3 Years until the 2020 Election. A lot can change. All we're saying is that this move doesn't appear to be one that would make him win.

[down] Yeah, weakening the one Group that is actively fighting "The Terrorists" is such a smart move on Trump and Putin's part. (/s)

They'd have to spin really hard to say that that is a good thing. And I don't think they're that desperate to spin this.

edited 6th Apr '17 8:39:21 PM by DingoWalley1

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#181620: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:38:17 PM

[up][up] Not the chemical weapon attack itself (though the United States and Russia are basically the only actors who could engineer a false flag, the lack of a motive indicates this was a very genuine case of borderline suicidal stupidity) but the response.

edited 6th Apr '17 8:39:42 PM by CaptainCapsase

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#181621: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:40:21 PM

Has anyone seen @Trumpregrets on twittter? interesting look at the people who voted for Trump, and buyers remorse.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from πŸ€” Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#181622: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:40:25 PM

I have a question. Does Populism have any relationship with the concept of Utopia or any high forms of optimism in general?

edited 6th Apr '17 8:40:41 PM by MorningStar1337

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#181623: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:41:10 PM

[up] In a twisted Right-wing viewpoint, yes.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#181624: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:42:01 PM

[up] Populism isn't exclusively right wing, though in the United States at least, left-wing populism that comes anywhere close to success has historically been very moderate by international standards and generally fairly pragmatic.

edited 6th Apr '17 8:42:18 PM by CaptainCapsase

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#181625: Apr 6th 2017 at 8:43:20 PM

Except Syria is pretty much their only ally in that region. They need Assad.

And Assad isn't going anywhere, he's got his teeth kicked in for getting a bit to rabid and that's it. Assad being forced to keep his crimes against humanity to the conventional weapons theatre isn't a negative for Russia, if anything it's a positive.

If this turns into something serious like the removal fo Assad then we can say that Russia has lost control, but we're not there yet.

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