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iflewaway someone from somewhere Since: Dec, 2016
someone
#181351: Apr 6th 2017 at 9:53:53 AM

[up] Bannon's still whispering in the president's fucking ear. If anything, this just means Bannon will be harder to keep track of. Besides, you assume that enough people will care. The left will be enraged, the republicans will be delighted, and the independents won't give a shit.

[down] It was okay then, because Obama

edited 6th Apr '17 9:56:45 AM by iflewaway

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danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#181352: Apr 6th 2017 at 9:55:30 AM

Seriously, did they just completely remove Garland from memory? What the Democrats did was exactly the same as what they did back then, and for actual legitimate reasons!

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#181353: Apr 6th 2017 at 9:56:06 AM

[up][up] You're being way too pessimistic...

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#181354: Apr 6th 2017 at 9:58:03 AM

[up]Not without reason. Our country is filled with moronic filth.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#181355: Apr 6th 2017 at 9:58:44 AM

[up][up][up][up] Bannon is threatening to quit if he's kicked out of the NSA. Hopefully he goes through with it, but it is possible he's just bluffing...

edited 6th Apr '17 9:58:52 AM by DingoWalley1

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#181356: Apr 6th 2017 at 9:59:07 AM

We all knew this was going to happen the moment Trump won. Now, this isn't so bad, but the US is fucked for a generation if a liberal or moderate justice dies/retires before 2020.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
iflewaway someone from somewhere Since: Dec, 2016
someone
#181357: Apr 6th 2017 at 9:59:17 AM

Trump WAS elected, I have reason to be pessimistic.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#181358: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:01:13 AM

You know, I think I've reached the point where I'm inclined to say "fuck it". Let the GOP have its way so they can reap the karma when this stuff eventually HAS to come home to roost...

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#181360: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:05:43 AM

Oh look, there goes the only real obstacle remaining to tyranny of the (legislative) majority.

Matues Since: Sep, 2011
#181361: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:05:52 AM

Well, they didn't nuke the filibuster globally, just for Supreme Court nominations, but it's a bad sign.

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#181362: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:06:30 AM

@sgamer82: You assume too much in thinking that karma will ever apply to the Republicans.

edited 6th Apr '17 10:07:38 AM by TrashJack

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#181363: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:07:08 AM

Bannon lashes out at Kushner, calls him "Globalist cuck!"

The morning sun rises over the dust choked fields of Trumpistan, and the peasants rise to the crowing of the Alt-Rooster. "Cuck-a-doodle-doo!" he proudly gibbers as he heralds the new day!

edited 6th Apr '17 10:10:29 AM by carbon-mantis

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#181364: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:07:21 AM

[up][up]Gotta have something to hope for

edited 6th Apr '17 10:07:33 AM by sgamer82

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#181365: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:08:09 AM

Let the GOPwads nuke it, we'll see what happens when* the Dems retake the Senate.

*Current trends seem to show Democrats overperforming in most special elections, so I'm willing to have hope for the midterms.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#181366: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:08:14 AM

It's already gone for other appointments and this more or less affirms that if the Democrats try to use the fillibuster on legislation, the shameless assholes in the GOP will nuke it there.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#181367: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:08:58 AM

[up]x7 If the Republicans got rid of it that easily, (and they did,) then it was never a real obstacle, was it?

[up]x3 Wut?

edited 6th Apr '17 10:09:31 AM by kkhohoho

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#181368: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:10:21 AM

Honestly, I think that's one reason the Dems risked it. Ultimately speaking, what did they have to lose other then one particular Dsmocles' Sword that would probably only work once anyway?

[up]a response to a response to a page bottomer

edited 6th Apr '17 10:11:56 AM by sgamer82

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#181369: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:10:48 AM

Eh, you're really reaching by saying an association is a defense since it's primarily about America's mode of conduct justified or not .

First off, false equivalencies like the ones in that article are a major part of apologia everywhere. Secondly, even if you ignore the association, the article literally states that none of the countries it talks about, including the Empire of Japan, posed a direct threat to American interests, which is a flat out lie. The Empire of Japan did pose a direct threat to American interests, and in fact launched assaults on American held territory.

To lie about that and portray America as the aggressor against a nation that could not harm it, as the article does both implicitly (comparing Imperial Japan to North Vietnam) and explicitly (saying none of these nations, including Japan, posed a threat to America) is the definition of apologia.

You know I say this as someone whose own family was victimized by the Japanese but your post is rather offensive to me personally.

I mean Imperial Japan turned my grandmother into an orphan so I think you can concur that I didn't mean to share apologia of Imperial Japan. Although I don't think I even did to begin since I think you're over-thinking it.

I have distant relatives who were directly effected by the Nazi occupation of Norway. If I shared an article claiming Nazi Germany posed no danger to American interests and that D-Day and the ensuing occupation of Germany were evidence of American gangsterism you'd have every right to a) call it Nazi apologia and b) do your best to nail me to the wall for it. Regardless, by the way, of whether I meant to share apologia or not.

I'm really not sure what the point is of continuing this conversation. You say you didn't mean to share apologia? That's fine. I believe you. That doesn't change the fact that that article was apologia and that in your initial post at least, you did not make it clear that you did not agree with all the parts of the article; fortunately, that's easily remedied for the future. Just make it clear next time you don't agree with all parts of the article you're sharing.

RE: Filibuster

It's not like it matters whether it gets nuked now or in the future. People have been saying "save it for when a liberal justice needs to be replaced" but the reality is the Republicans would just have gotten rid of it then as well. I mean just look at that speech of McConnel's that was quoted. The man is a walking, talking sleaze, who is happy to accuse everyone but himself of enforcing a double standard. He was never going to play fair; I'm not sure he knows what playing fair even means.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#181370: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:11:22 AM

Plus they now have no reason to bring it back.

Bipartisanship is dead.

New Survey coming this weekend!
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#181371: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:16:43 AM

But the fight still rages on. This battle may have been lost some wins will be gained later, remember that guys, don't give in to despair.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#181372: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:17:28 AM

@sgamer82: At this point, the fact that the remaining sane and rational humans on this planet still have some hope left completely baffles me. I thought for sure that a lot more of you would have given up on the very concept of hope right now. Are your local governments spiking the water supply with anti-depressants or something?

edited 6th Apr '17 10:19:37 AM by TrashJack

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
iflewaway someone from somewhere Since: Dec, 2016
someone
#181373: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:17:30 AM

[up][up][up] Was it ever truly alive?

[up] Not mine.

edited 6th Apr '17 10:19:38 AM by iflewaway

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justhelping Since: Dec, 2016
#181374: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:19:30 AM

Let's see where it goes from here.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#181375: Apr 6th 2017 at 10:19:33 AM

[up][up][up] maybe, but I think I'm just enough of an optimist and sincerely a believer in karma that something's gotta kick this down. It's not like we've been completely without victories, such as the tea party saving Obamacare, got instance.

edited 6th Apr '17 10:19:49 AM by sgamer82


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