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#181201: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:06:58 AM

Silasw's list seems like good soundbites. Wondering what the substance is behind them.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#181202: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:07:28 AM

Now that raised a question, what is a good source of Right side discussion? It'd be interesting to see how the other hand lives, so to speak.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#181203: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:08:22 AM

[up] If you want a conservative perspective that doesn't make you want to slam your head against a wall, I'd try some of David Frum's work. He's not a complete wingnut.

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ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#181204: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:09:26 AM

[up][up]Forbes and The Economist are actual conservative views, though they are certainly not representative of the bulk of people that voted for the Cheeto.

edited 5th Apr '17 11:09:40 AM by ViperMagnum357

Proglottid Since: Mar, 2010
#181205: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:09:27 AM

The thing with /pol/ and 4chan in general is that it's such a cesspool of human filth it's impossible to tell who is a degenerate neo-nazi and who is a degenerate asshole spewing racist comments for kicks and to feel part of a circle jerking clique

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#181206: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:09:58 AM

Honestly at this point I don't consider them any different.

Oh really when?
justhelping Since: Dec, 2016
#181207: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:10:23 AM

Contrary to popular belief, FOX news is a reliable and nationally recognized news network. I suppose if that's not your speed, you could try The Federalist.

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#181208: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:11:01 AM

There's an implied corollary of Poe's Law that says that if you spout the extremist lines often enough, you become one whether you truly believe them or not.

[up] *snerk* *guffaw* Oh, gods, you're serious, aren't you? Fox is a propaganda network expressly intended to hold viewers inside the right-wing information bubble. Any resemblance to real journalism is a coincidence.

edited 5th Apr '17 11:12:22 AM by Fighteer

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ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#181209: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:11:50 AM

[up][up]Sputnik is also an internationally recognized news source-and I don't think anyone here is going to quote it.

edited 5th Apr '17 11:13:05 AM by ViperMagnum357

justhelping Since: Dec, 2016
#181210: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:13:48 AM

Fine, then, just the Federalist. A lot of conservative voices here, fake news not invited: http://thefederalist.com/blog/

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#181211: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:13:57 AM

Silasw's list seems like good soundbites. Wondering what the substance is behind them.

There isn't much, if any, because there doesn't need to be. The substance of the Democrat platform is fine, people who look at substance tend to vote Dem, where we are weak is out soundbites, it's our messaging. The target group is low information voters, that means we don't need more depth or substance, what we need is more flash and glamour.

Yes my list is basically all flash and no substance, that's because we're doing fine on substance, but we're doing terrible on flash and flash is what the voters we need look at.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#181212: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:14:32 AM

The thing about Fox that pisses me off the most isn't that it's right wing propaganda, it's that its' not HONEST about it. Not even Russia Today pretends that it's not a mouthpiece for the Kremlin (only its viewers do that).

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#181213: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:15:46 AM

The Economist, Forbes and WSJ are pretty good for intelligent right-wing thought. Personally, I actually like the Economist and WJS(usually).

If you want what the masses believe then Breitbart and the Drudge Report would be what you should be looking at but I really recommend that you not. Both are awful. Breitbart is much worse though.

edited 5th Apr '17 11:19:12 AM by MadSkillz

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#181214: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:16:00 AM

[up][up][up]For town halls and the like where you need to expand, look at my earlier post: [1]

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Oh, bother.
#181215: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:21:25 AM

Anyway, the only thing that will convince me that Trump voters can be reached and that the majority of them are not like the people in the posted articles that set us off is a reliable poll indicating Trump's approval becoming so low that it indicates a crumbling floor in his voter base. Maybe something along the lines of 25% or less.

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danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#181216: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:23:43 AM

Do not go to Fox for news. Even if they're currently somewhat more in my good graces for slamming the EPA head, they're still a cesspool of fake news (actual fake news) and I still resent them for their outright slandering of the brony fandom years ago.

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#181217: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:25:00 AM

The Wall Street Journal is a Rupert Murdoch mouthpiece that shills free market ideology without the slightest shred of journalistic or intellectual integrity. Paul Krugman, Brad DeLong, and many other mainstream economists have called it out repeatedly for its malfeasance and outright lying, including the publication of pieces that are founded on discredited papers like the Reinhart/Rogoff "Growth in a Time of Debt" study. They're also big fans of the Heritage Foundation, which has produced some legendary whoppers.

As with Fox News, any accurate journalism found in the WSJ is by coincidence, not design.

edited 5th Apr '17 11:29:14 AM by Fighteer

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justhelping Since: Dec, 2016
#181218: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:29:08 AM

[up][up]I sincerely hope you are joking.

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#181219: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:30:54 AM

[up]X4 Why does the fact that a number of them voted for Obama (and befor that Bill Clinton) not convince you that they can be reached?

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#181220: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:31:40 AM

Plus didn't the WSJ go Trump schill post election?

edited 5th Apr '17 11:31:52 AM by sgamer82

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#181221: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:32:59 AM

@Fighteer I mean I'm a leftist so I tend to skim what their opinions are on the market but I'll keep that in mind.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#181222: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:33:07 AM

I'd actually favor Fox News over the Federalist. Pundits aside, the actual news broadcasters on Fox at least try to maintain journalistic integrity. The Federalist blog, which should apologize at the graves of Hamilton, Madison, and John Jay, is just wannabe O'Reilly's and Hannity's without Shepard Smith and Chris Wallace.

justhelping Since: Dec, 2016
#181223: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:34:58 AM

[up]I mean, you guys link to Huffington Post all the time, so I thought you wouldn't mind things like that.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#181224: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:36:20 AM

To be honest, I wouldn't listen to pundits from any network.

Cable news itself is pretty awful when it comes to politics.

edited 5th Apr '17 11:37:27 AM by MadSkillz

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#181225: Apr 5th 2017 at 11:37:09 AM

[up]@justhelping: Hey, that just happens to be one example of Fox's slandering that affected me personally. They still have plenty of other sensationalist stories, or cherry-picking facts and taking quotes out of context in order to suit their own narrative.


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