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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#180576: Apr 2nd 2017 at 5:29:18 PM

Nah. The beast from Revelations has to attack Israel first.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#180577: Apr 2nd 2017 at 5:31:27 PM

Re Yellowstone: Pretty sure Geology Does Not Work That Way, but drilling or fracking there would still be nasty for a whole bunch of oher reasons.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#180578: Apr 2nd 2017 at 5:31:42 PM

This guy managed to get Cambridge Analytica to release their info on him.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#180579: Apr 2nd 2017 at 5:35:46 PM

Speaking of Town Halls, there's another Congressional recess April Tenth to April 21. See if your MOC is hosting one, and see if you can go.

https://townhallproject.com

and here's a link to indivisible if anyone wants to find their local group before.

https://www.indivisibleguide.com

Also consider donating to the Go Fund Me to get a UN lawyer, if you can. It's for a good cause. :)

edited 2nd Apr '17 5:40:38 PM by megaeliz

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#180580: Apr 2nd 2017 at 5:41:55 PM

I want to see an 'Alternative Republicans' movement, that comprises entirely of the moderate Republicans and economically right Democrats to create a normal conservative party.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#180581: Apr 2nd 2017 at 5:59:27 PM

You mean like how Teddy split of his Republicans from the main party out of disgust with President Taft just to ensure Taft lost the election?

The return of the Bull Moose Party.

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#180582: Apr 2nd 2017 at 6:16:55 PM

[up]And he briefly turned the GOP into a third party for one election.

That said, splinter campaigns will never work today; no one in the GOP commands that kind of respect and the party machine is too regimented.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
henry42 [REDACTED] from Western Hemisphere Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
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#180583: Apr 2nd 2017 at 6:34:03 PM

...just to ensure Taft lost the election?
AFAIK, Teddy Roosevelt's Progressive "Bull Moose" party was large enough that his bid for the presidency was actually a serious one.

edited 2nd Apr '17 6:34:24 PM by henry42

One does not shake the box containing the sticky notes of doom!
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#180585: Apr 2nd 2017 at 6:39:25 PM

The only really successful modern third party I can think of, is the "Vermont Progressive Party," which was founded by a bunch of Sanders supporters, back when he was still mayor of Burlington. They have several members serving in the Vermont state congress, as well as several local offices.

http://progressiveparty.org

edited 2nd Apr '17 6:51:51 PM by megaeliz

Ingonyama Since: Jan, 2001
#180586: Apr 2nd 2017 at 6:49:22 PM

Re: means of removing the President from office. From what I've been reading there is a possible precedent in the courts where an election can be declared invalid, and then either a new one held or the opponent installed in place of the corrupt "winner." It involved a state senatorial election case in Pennsylvania, but the justice who wrote the opinion mentioned that the logic used to decide the case applied to all elections, including and especially Presidential ones. There was another case that would be of use too, but I forget what it was. Of course for any of this to apply, someone would have to challenge the election and the case end up before the Supreme Court...I think the only one who has standing is Hillary and she has chosen not to contest the election (mostly because she'd gotten after Trump for saying he would contest it if he lost). So there's that. But it is still possible, which is another reason keeping Gorsuch out is important.

Also, of course, there's the 25th Amendment.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#180587: Apr 2nd 2017 at 6:53:38 PM

[up][up] They seem to be based in Vermont only. Not really the most Successful 3rd Party in the USA. Currently, the most successful 3rd Parties on a National Scale would be the Libertarians and the Greens. Heck, the Libertarian Party actually has 2 members in State Legislatures (Both Republicans turn Libertarian, Laura Ebke (Nebraska) and Caleb Dyer (New Hampshire)). Either of those Parties have a much better chance of taking over from the Republican Rift, unless a new Party springs to life and takes over like a storm.

edited 2nd Apr '17 6:54:01 PM by DingoWalley1

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#180588: Apr 2nd 2017 at 6:55:51 PM

@henry: Electoral votes indicate even if all the Republicans had supported Roosevelt or Taft they still would have lost, though would have won the popular vote.

A biography I remember reading said Roosevelt always knew he wouldn't win, what bummed him out though was just how much he lost by.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#180589: Apr 2nd 2017 at 6:59:18 PM

still, I think it's worth noting. Especially since they are pretty "mainstream" in Vermont in the way that the green or libertarian parties could never hope to be.

edited 2nd Apr '17 7:03:18 PM by megaeliz

henry42 [REDACTED] from Western Hemisphere Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
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#180590: Apr 2nd 2017 at 7:32:50 PM

[up][up]I stand corrected. Still, he was more serious than any contemporary third-party candidate—only Ross Perot came anywhere close.

One does not shake the box containing the sticky notes of doom!
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#180591: Apr 2nd 2017 at 7:41:31 PM

Ross Perot might have won if not for the odd bit where he quit and then re-entered.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#180592: Apr 2nd 2017 at 8:10:29 PM

Oh come on Ace, Perot may have had a decent run of it for a 3rd party ticket, but he was never anywhere near winning that race.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#180593: Apr 2nd 2017 at 9:01:44 PM

I know we have that Introduction Thread, but allow me to elaborate further on what I am: As I said elsewhere, I'm from the Philippines. As you can see with my newly uploaded avatar, I'm not white. As for political views, hard to strictly define, but for certain views, I regret to say I wouldn't have been against what the NSA had done four years ago. Also, I posted my avatar to ask if I like look the type the GOP-dominated government wouldn't allow for legal citizenship, even if I'm from a country they haven't banned yet?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#180594: Apr 2nd 2017 at 9:08:01 PM

Concerning the dissonance between tropers who identify as social democrats vs. the apparent disdain for the movement shown by some of the comments here (including my own):

For me at least, the issue isn't so much the platform itself which actually has some good points and addresses things that do need to change at some point for the USA to thrive — it's the people. Too many of them run the gamut from "good intentions but lack solid and realistic ideas of how to actually accomplish things" to "hypocritical opportunists" to "don't actually give a damn about the issues and just want to be edgy anti-establishment hipsters".

edited 2nd Apr '17 9:08:19 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#180595: Apr 2nd 2017 at 9:31:33 PM

I'm a member of the NDP. I am, by definition, a social democrat. However in the United States that terms has been hijacked by a number of groups with which I would not associate on my worst day.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#180596: Apr 2nd 2017 at 10:06:15 PM

I just have to reiterate what a bunch of morons Justice Democrats are.

New Survey coming this weekend!
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#180597: Apr 2nd 2017 at 10:56:16 PM

And given that they have barely any actual influence, since you're the only source I see on any of what they're doing, this disdain seems a bit out of proportion to what "damage" they can actually do.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#180598: Apr 2nd 2017 at 10:59:41 PM

Not sure why anybody would frack in Yellowstone. Even ignoring the security hazard, Tertiary volcanic rocks are not gas sources.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
iflewaway someone from somewhere Since: Dec, 2016
someone
#180600: Apr 2nd 2017 at 11:45:07 PM

Republicans are not known for their scientific literacy.

[down] It was just a joke.

edited 3rd Apr '17 12:02:06 AM by iflewaway

something

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