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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#180376: Mar 31st 2017 at 4:48:07 PM

More on NAFTA incorporating the TPP proposals.

edited 31st Mar '17 4:48:50 PM by MorningStar1337

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#180377: Mar 31st 2017 at 4:55:35 PM

[up][up][up][up] Ah, irony... a climate change denier potentially getting in trouble for denying climate change after he gets put in charge of the department whose mandate is to fix climate change.

[up][up][up] & [up][up] I know. The only exception I can think of is his super frowny face from articles right after the ACHA flubbed. He was so long in the fact my mind went to Sad Clown territory.

edited 31st Mar '17 5:01:17 PM by sgamer82

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#180380: Mar 31st 2017 at 5:24:36 PM

The smell of sulphur seems a telltale sign of Gorsuch's confirmation, recent events nothwithstanding

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#180381: Mar 31st 2017 at 6:42:26 PM

Watching the alt-right trolls throw a shitfest about the new ISP law made my day.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#180382: Mar 31st 2017 at 6:45:42 PM

IAGO HOW COULD YOU. I TRUSTED YOU.

Iago: *twirls moustache* NYEEEHHHAHEH

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#180383: Mar 31st 2017 at 6:45:54 PM

It's almost like Republican lawmakers have no interest in privacy or freedom of speech, even for their most ardent supporters. Well, to be fair, the alt-righters aren't "ardent" supporters of Republicans; they are the sort of wild dogs that will bite the hand that feeds them in an instant if it doesn't perfectly satisfy their deries.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#180384: Mar 31st 2017 at 6:52:03 PM

But when it comes to policy that's race related, oh Republicans LOVE going into details and planning shit out page by page.

New Survey coming this weekend!
MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#180385: Mar 31st 2017 at 6:59:21 PM

[up][up] Well the guy who sponsored SOPA was a Republican.

BTW How possible is it to make an amendment to the Constitution? I can think of two things that could be added at least to make it clear that:

  • The internet is not to be censored by laws like SOPA and its privacy should be enforced
  • and that LGBT+ and other minorities are worthy of equal rights.

edited 31st Mar '17 7:02:34 PM by MorningStar1337

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#180386: Mar 31st 2017 at 7:05:42 PM

You could make those amendments to your constitution in this presidency if you write that in big empty letters, and give trump a box of crayons.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#180387: Mar 31st 2017 at 7:05:56 PM

On the one hand...Justice Scalia once estimated that 2% of the US population could block a formal amendment. (That statistic doesn't mean much, but it is ridiculously hard. Last I checked, Germany updated its basic law annually, France slightly less, and our 200+ year state has less than 30 amendments to date, one cancelling another).
On the other hand, SCOTUS does it all the time. SCOTUS is technically in the middle of reading that second one into the 14th amendment. (This can easily go backwards too).

[up]Also, that[lol] At least we elected a POTUS that gives us all the Gallows Humor we could ever want...

edited 31st Mar '17 7:09:20 PM by CenturyEye

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#180388: Mar 31st 2017 at 7:09:17 PM

Well to give a more serious answer it's pretty much impossible to amend the constitution given the current levels of polarization in the country, and that doesn't look to be changing anytime soon.

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#180389: Mar 31st 2017 at 8:37:34 PM

[up]What if ends up changing by the Trump is gone?

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#180390: Mar 31st 2017 at 9:21:38 PM

You need two thirds of the states OR two thirds of Congress to agree to call a convention for amending the Constitution. Then, three fourths of the states must ratify said amendment(s). And it's by state, not by population. In other words, your Trump-loving uncle in North Dakota gets about fifty times as much say in such things as someone who lives in California. Good luck!

edited 31st Mar '17 9:24:51 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#180391: Mar 31st 2017 at 9:43:04 PM

So, looks like anti-internet privacy bill did the trick in making the Alt-Right turn on Trump, from what I've seen on the last page. Is there any way we can stop SOPA 4.0 (AKA the revised NAFTA. Goddamn, they aren't gonna stop with the copyright bullshit, are they)? I need to talk to my friend every day on Deviantart and watch Youtube videos to stay sane...

edited 31st Mar '17 10:01:12 PM by Bat178

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#180392: Mar 31st 2017 at 10:17:09 PM

All the Internet can find the solution to stop Internet bills in the USA. cool

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#180393: Mar 31st 2017 at 10:21:56 PM

The funniest/saddest part is that most of those comments are less 'Trump betrayed us!' and more 'Trump, please Veto this bill! Save us, Trump!'. They still don't get it.

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#180394: Mar 31st 2017 at 10:23:34 PM

[up][up][up]Deviantart is probably safe. Youtube, Facebook and Online Multiplayer games, however, will likely require a few extra premiums each months.

Oh, and Netflix.

edited 31st Mar '17 10:23:58 PM by Kayeka

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#180395: Mar 31st 2017 at 10:25:10 PM

[up] You can bet your ass Google, Facebook, Netflix, Sony and Microsoft will fight the IS Ps over this, though.

edited 31st Mar '17 10:31:13 PM by Bat178

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#180396: Mar 31st 2017 at 10:35:08 PM

@Bat It is possible to Stop NAFTA, in much the same way it was possible to stop its predecessors. There are several factors at work here.

  • The least likely to hold is Trump's stance on trade deals. Lets not forget that the TPP was stopped not because Trump hated its internet provisions, but because he hated other parts of the bill, and that he's in a position to repeal the FCC regulations. Come to think of it. This is the first time SOPA-style copyright law has been pushed with a Republican president isn't it?
  • A much more likely factor to hold steadfast in is the threat the bill represents to Companies like Google (who has a lot of copyright content both in the search results and Youtube), Facebook (again copyrighted content) Wikipedia, reddit, news sites, etc. This is the biggest factor in if the bill lives or dies. ([nja])
  • Unlike the privacy bill, NAFTA would have more time to finalize, and also includes Canada and Mexico (among other countries), it might also include The Philippines, Japan and South Korea as well.
  • Lobbyists who either make it their mission to fight for internet rights (the EFF) or are funded by groups who find the bill to hurt their bottom line (Google, Facebook and Reddit) ([nja]). Conversely other lobbyists will also try to pass the bill to the best of their ability (MPAA, RIAA, Disney and any company who prefers Fanwork Bans)
  • Public opposition. Which is why the time and scope are important. They would allow more time for protests to mobilize, more campaigns to take place and convince the people that this kind of thing won't stand.
    • In particular, Trade Laws usually take years to negotiate, but this is renegotiating an existing law. So the time frame could be shorter. If the negotiations last until 2018 and we get people in congress who know how dangerous the treaty is with the provisions, then we'd have another defense in place.

The death of the TPP's internet provisions in NAFTA would there fore depends on if Trump is honest in his disdain for trade bills (probably not), if Pence (if Trump resigns) or the other countries love a free internet (depends on a case by case basis, as well as if it includes countries outside the eponymous continent), the time scale (negotiations have to last 2 years at least for the midterms to matter), lobbying (in this case the EFF and its allies verses the MP/RIAAs and theirs) and public opposition and its impact on the politicians' job security.

edited 31st Mar '17 10:40:45 PM by MorningStar1337

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#180397: Mar 31st 2017 at 11:15:53 PM

So lemme process all of this...

The orange shitgibbon who campaigned on (among other things) opposing free trade agreements such as TPP and NAFTA is planning to allow NAFTA to screw over even more people by adding the very thing that had so many upset about TPP in the first place.

Ugh, between this, the anti-privacy bill, and putting net neutrality on the chopping block...I was wrong earlier. Trump isn't just going to gentrify the Internet, he's going to turn it into a goddamned gated community.

Edit:

Concerning the alt-right Trump supporters begging Trump to save them:

Wow, for a bunch of supposed alphas they are remarkably naive. It's kind of pitiful really. Still...

<cue tiny violins in a tiny orchestra>

edited 31st Mar '17 11:30:19 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#180398: Mar 31st 2017 at 11:36:28 PM

Is George Takei playing an April Fools joke or is he really going to run against Nunes in 2018?

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#180399: Mar 31st 2017 at 11:36:46 PM

[up][up] I'd honestly consider suicide if this stuff all passes and he does turn it into a gated community/Chinese-style Internet. I need the Internet. Need it every day for most of the day, been like that for more than 9 years now. I can't survive without it. Every time the Internet goes down or I have to go on a long trip without it, I feel like a junkie without his fix. I start twitching, get more aggressive, freak out quicker and don't know what to do, just wandering around despite having plenty of video games I could play.

edited 31st Mar '17 11:37:07 PM by Bat178

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#180400: Mar 31st 2017 at 11:38:01 PM

[up] I'd suggest maybe taking a break from the Internet for a few days at a time. Or maybe limit your time each day to check email or TV Tropes threads.

BTW, China's Internet isn't a gated community. It's more of a digital Forbidden City.

edited 31st Mar '17 11:38:39 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised

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