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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#180226: Mar 30th 2017 at 4:00:10 PM

[up]Because you can persuade such a Democrat without risking charges of breaking and entering, blackmail, assault and more?

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#180227: Mar 30th 2017 at 4:07:59 PM

[up][up]Because if we gain a Democratic majority, those Dems that occasionally vote in line with Trump can more easily be convinced not to? It's a strength in numbers thing. There's also a debate to be had about whether or not it's actually worth it to try and test the Republicans over Gorsuch, no matter how much it may gall us over the whole Garland thing. Gorsuch's approval means the SC stays pretty much the way it was, it's the next replacement that may well chance the face of it.

Also, Tactical Fox is actually pretty militant, in rhetoric if nothing else. It just tends towards a sort of centrism rather than the extreme ends of ideology.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#180228: Mar 30th 2017 at 4:19:21 PM

What's the point of winning back congress from the Republicans if we fill it with Democrats who aren't interested in resisting Trump?

Being willing to support Trump on a few votes is not the same as being totally unwilling to resist him. The point is to stop as much of Trump's agenda as possible, being willing to let 100% of Trump's agenda though because the other option was to 'only' stop 80% of it is stupid.

Sure I'd be nice to have Congress be made up of people willing to resist Trump 100% of the time, but right now that's not practical, if you can come up with a way to make it practical I'm all for it.

All of this obviously ignores that controlling congress actually has advantages even if how votes go stays exactly the same.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#180229: Mar 30th 2017 at 4:20:57 PM

The perfect is the enemy of the good

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#180230: Mar 30th 2017 at 4:54:32 PM

@Thewanderer: That was a very nice list of progressive policies, I will have to preserve that somehow.

Re: Dem solidarity- I wouldnt primary someone on the basis of a single vote, even one in favor of Gorsush; that said, if a Dem votes more often for corporate interests than progressive ones, then they lose my support.

edited 30th Mar '17 4:54:54 PM by DeMarquis

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#180231: Mar 30th 2017 at 4:54:39 PM

i found a good article talking about when the democrats should work with the republicans, actually.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/when-is-it-ok-for-democrats-to-work-with-trump-a-handy-guide-214964

edited 30th Mar '17 4:58:32 PM by megaeliz

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#180232: Mar 30th 2017 at 4:58:48 PM

[up][up] What if the corporate interests are also progressive?

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#180233: Mar 30th 2017 at 4:59:44 PM

[up][up][up]Left click on the date/time on the upper right of the post in blue text, and bookmark. Or copypasta. Nice list, but I think even without Trump I would not live to see all of that happen.

edited 30th Mar '17 5:00:32 PM by ViperMagnum357

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#180234: Mar 30th 2017 at 5:00:53 PM

This was never about resisting Trump, yes the man is a baboon, but he did win the election (I was one of those in the "Give the man a chance"camp, that lasted until the Muslum ban). It was always about resisting his agenda. If he is willing to change his agenda, maybe we can work with him. Occassionally.

@sggamer: Thats practically a contradiction in terms. You'll have to be specific.

@vipermagnum: thanks

edited 30th Mar '17 5:03:26 PM by DeMarquis

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#180235: Mar 30th 2017 at 5:03:52 PM

[up] No specific examples in mind when I posted. I was mostly just being ironic/contrary. That said, there's nothing that says a corporation can't pursue a progressive interest for its own corporate sake. Isn't that basically what happened with a bunch of companies and such pulling out of North Carolina over the bathroom laws? At worst serving a progressive cause in the name of corporate profit?

edited 30th Mar '17 5:04:14 PM by sgamer82

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#180236: Mar 30th 2017 at 5:04:35 PM

I have to wonder how much Michael Flynn actually knows to make it considered worthwhile to protect him.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#180237: Mar 30th 2017 at 5:06:13 PM

Corporations care about their brand- they dont want to deviate too much from their consumers. That does give us some leverage over them.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#180238: Mar 30th 2017 at 5:07:00 PM

[up] Exactly. If a progressive cause is profitable to their brand, they'll support it. Thus, a corporate cause can also be progressive. Or at least one can be aligned to the other.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#180239: Mar 30th 2017 at 5:07:02 PM

Considering that he's supposedly the man that was in direct contact with Russian agents or whatever probably a lot. He was also one of the driving forces of Trump's campaign for a year. And the guy who lobbied for Turkish interests. Chances are he knows quite a good deal.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#180240: Mar 30th 2017 at 5:10:25 PM

As if the anti-privacy laws weren't bad enough, Trump is already looking to go after Net Neutrality: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/technology/net-neutrality.html

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#180241: Mar 30th 2017 at 5:13:00 PM

If he really wants Dem support, he needs to stop doing that kind of thing

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#180242: Mar 30th 2017 at 5:14:24 PM

As has been pointed out, there's no word yet that the FBI or any such agency has taken the deal with Flynn.

As was pointed out in some of the Twitter-speculation earlier this week, they're only likely to take the deal if it will likely lead them to a bigger fish. There is only one bigger fish.

Incidentally, I have to wonder if Flynn has noticed the tendency of Russian officials fallen out of Putin's favor to end up dead (however many of them can actually be attributed to hostile action) and he has more than immunity from prosecution in mind.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#180243: Mar 30th 2017 at 5:14:32 PM

[up][up] I thought Net Neutrality was already done.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#180244: Mar 30th 2017 at 5:15:57 PM

[up] He has it as his next target literally the day after anti-internet privacy laws were repealed!

edited 30th Mar '17 5:31:26 PM by Bat178

Watashiwa Since: Dec, 2009
#180245: Mar 30th 2017 at 5:16:22 PM

[up][up][up][up]fascinating eyebrow

[up][up][up]They'd give immunity in exchange for Bannon I'm pretty sure. Comey cannot be happy about him on the NSC.

[up]FWIW I'm pretty sure the laws never went into effect. We're still at square zero in terms of IS Ps being able to flog your data.

edited 30th Mar '17 5:17:07 PM by Watashiwa

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#180246: Mar 30th 2017 at 5:24:22 PM

I'm freaking out here. I NEED my full unstrained internet access almost all day to stay sane, it's the only thing keeping me from snapping. One of the reasons why I moved to California from Gibraltar was because it was easier to get internet there as my surviving grandparents who I live with were preferred customers with Cox for more than 10 years, Gibraltar had a annoying tendency for blackouts, and I was stuck with one of those portable drives with limited data in my grandparents house in Gibraltar.

edited 30th Mar '17 5:25:32 PM by Bat178

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#180247: Mar 30th 2017 at 5:24:47 PM

House votes to restrict EPA’s use of science The House approved a bill that makes the EPA use only "publicly available" science to justify new regulations.

Bonus track: the bill's sponsor? Rep. Lamar Smith, also known as "the asshole who created SOPA".

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#180248: Mar 30th 2017 at 5:25:03 PM

The FCC did make the ruling that internet carriers are utilities and fall under those stricter rules.

[up]Obvious fix: Open source all the things. (Less easy than it sounds but in the current climate...)

edited 30th Mar '17 5:26:53 PM by Elle

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#180249: Mar 30th 2017 at 5:27:38 PM

[up][up] Then it's a good thing there's so much public Global Warming information out there, isn't there? This seems like a completely worthless way to try to cut the EPA's power.


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