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Um, the point of that article is that the so-called "plight" of the WWC is somewhat overblown and that the studies done about it are biased to make the WWC seem more sympathetic. The article also points out that black people still by and large have it worse than white people. The article ends with this:
"But whether in health, income, wealth, or educational attainment, American white privilege is still very much in effect, and no statistical tomfoolery can change that."
edited 28th Mar '17 1:36:47 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedPerhaps formulating the issue around working class rather than white working class is a good way to start. Starting with skin colours as the first thing is probably not a good framing for a discussion. I am sure Latino and African American working class people do exist. Particularly in some southern states, where apparently a number of the former went for the evil dog for his promise of "jobs" (that he won't keep, most likely).
edited 28th Mar '17 1:36:57 PM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanNot really. People keep talking about white working class as if that was the only important factor. I was reading an article about Yuma County that said a minority of Latino working class appears to exist which voted for the evil dog. The focus on "white" comes off as wrong to me.
edited 28th Mar '17 1:43:15 PM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanThe narrative is that "Oh, the Democratic Party lost because they pandered to minorities and ignored the horrible plight of real (white) working class Americans!", backed by supposed studies. The article Hodor 2 linked casts doubt on the accuracy of said studies.
Disgusted, but not surprisedYeah. A further comment I wanted to add is that what is troubling about the statistics of the study is that the fudging of the numbers seems to have the result (whether intentional or not) of selling this false and racist narrative that there is this zero sum game of who benefits from economic policies and that specifically, Obama's policies helped African Americans and hurt whites/"Real Americans".
And so whenever I hear Bernie Sanders or anyone else talk about the Democrats abandoning the "White Working Class", it comes off like they are deliberately pandering to those racist sentiments. Because they could easily say that Obama's policies were a step in the right direction but need to be expanded/didn't help the working class enough.
It should be axiomatic that attempts to help the working class economically benefit all races. But that's not how the WWC-pandering media likes to sell them.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"See, to me law of diminishing returns says that improving the standard of life of white people is going to be harder than minorities even with a "race blind" policy. So I don't think such statistics say much even if they weren't questionable.
(Also, is Keith Ellison a way to pander to racist white people?)
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman@Septimus Heap-
No. My take on things is that there are certainly plenty of leftists, including Sanders who are honestly committed to civil rights/equality for all, but you (general you) can't pretend that Democrats/Progressives are making up the idea that Sanders and others have spoken about the white working class specifically and implicitly or explicitly pandered to racist sentiments. With Sanders himself, I tend to think that he did so as an election strategy and has continued to do so to an extent to shore up support post-election, but since he's not actually personally racist and is dealing with the openly-racist Trump, he's mostly dropped that kind of rhetoric now and has been open about anti-racism. Which is why it's not too surprising that he endorsed Ellison, since they are on the same page in terms of economics, and Sanders is not actually that wed to racist appeals.
I'll also add that a fair number of the "Democrats should drop civil rights" articles are coming from "Centrists" rather than Leftists, but I think it's understandable that Democrats are pissed off regardless of whose making the argument, and that informs why statements about the "White Working Class" get a lot of blowback.
edited 28th Mar '17 2:27:16 PM by Hodor2
Hodor 2 was talking about Sanders pandering to "white working class". I wanted to check whether that was actually the case and found fragments of a speech where he said that "working class" people didn't trust Democrats anymore (not sure about this point) and that he's of "white working class" descent and disappointed that they went for the evil dog and that he supported Keith Ellison.
That's why I am asking.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanI was thinking of those sentiments as well as things like referring to Planned Parenthood as part of The Establishment, that odd moment of stating that the Democrats were too politically correct (but giving himself plausible deniability by redefining political correctness to mean buying into consensus views about trade policy), and agreeing with Seth Myers that Trump supporters "obviously" didn't have a racist bone in their bodies.
Basically, Sanders clearly really wants the votes of white (working class) people, which is not in itself a bad thing. What is a bad thing is how he goes about it by telling them that they are right to think of the Democratic Party as their enemy (including/especially if they based that opinion on racism).
edited 28th Mar '17 2:34:47 PM by Hodor2
Ann Romney, wife of Mitt Romney, will lobby against Trump's proposed Budgets that heavily cut into Medical Programs.
Glad to see that the Romney's are still willing to fight Trump.
When did he ever do that? AFAIK, Sanders never used that kind of rhetoric, and generally only spoke about the working class as a whole.
edited 28th Mar '17 2:35:20 PM by henry42
One does not shake the box containing the sticky notes of doom!^^Ew. Someone sit down with him and give him a basic primer on race relations. If he hasn't backed off yet.
Before we go with the Tactical Fox motion - which is tempting, I'll admit - you'll need a new "blue wall" though.
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Thinking specifically about the remarks covered in this article
as well as this one
. In both cases, there's some plausible deniability, which could be argued as infelicitous phrasing, but it came across to me as a deliberate dog-whistle, in spite of/because of the fact that at other points Sanders has been very openly pro-civil rights and anti-racism (which I think he is sincere about). So, I take it as an indication of what audience he wished to reach at the time and how he wanted to frame himself to that audience.
edited 28th Mar '17 2:40:32 PM by Hodor2
The problem with that analysis is that it isnt a mutually exclusive set of options. We can offer to fight for economic fairness for every community, regardless of color.
And literally no one here is arguing that we shouldn't do what we can for the WWC. What we keep arguing against is this idea that the Dems need to be going out of their way to appeal to the WWC first and foremost, like they're some kind of electoral unicorn that will usher the Dems back into power if they can just find the right way to prostrate themselves before it.
To say nothing of the fact that it's been pointed out repeatedly that WWC voters who listed the economy as their primary concern did favor Hillary in the election, with those who voted for Donald mostly talking about issues that can be traced back to racism, even if only on the level of perceived erosion of white standing and privilege.
When that's the case, the only way to pander to the WWC that isn't already on our side is to start throwing minorities under the bus, which is a terrible idea on every level from idealistic to pragmatic. The only way in which the Dems aren't already better for the WWC than the Republicans is that they don't put the boot down on minorities for cheap appeal to racists, so this constant refrain of "but what about the WWC?" becomes incredibly irritating, because while you insist that the Dems should be appealing to both the WWC and non-whites, that's what they've been doing for years. So either you're angrily yelling at them to hurry to do something they've already been doing for at least a decade, or you're telling them to throw minorities under the bus to court the racist vote.
Taking the worst observations of Senator Sanders to be true, he could be promoting the old class consciousness ideal over racial "false consciousness" (end hypo). And color-blind policies only exasperate inequality, and, are often used as a dogwhistle for racists policies.
In essence, the association b/w Sanders and racism could be an accident. That said, I paid relatively little attention to Sanders (in 2016 and now). That's pure conjecture based upon him adopting the label "socialist" and occasionally adopting the old talking points.
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Yeah, I don't buy the claims that he's pandering to racists. To me, his statements about the Democratic party's identity politics—namely, that these policies alone aren't enough to help the working class—are just basic common sense.
Donald Trump Rewards Fossil Fuel Industry By Signing Climate Denial Executive Order
edited 28th Mar '17 3:03:25 PM by henry42
One does not shake the box containing the sticky notes of doom!Representative Ted Poe (R-TX) has left the Freedom Caucus because they killed Trumpcare.
USA Today: Trump's links to the Russian mob.
The president and his companies have been linked to at least 10 wealthy former Soviet businessmen with alleged ties to criminal organizations or money laundering.
Among them:
- A partner in the firm that developed the Trump So Ho Hotel in New York is a twice-convicted felon who spent a year in prison for stabbing a man and later scouted for Trump investments in Russia.
- An investor in the So Ho project was accused by Belgian authorities in 2011 in a $55 million money-laundering scheme.
- Three owners of Trump condos in Florida and Manhattan were accused in federal indictments of belonging to a Russian-American organized crime group and working for a major international crime boss based in Russia.
- A former mayor from Kazakhstan was accused in a federal lawsuit filed in Los Angeles in 2014 of hiding millions of dollars looted from his city, some of which was spent on three Trump So Ho units.
- A Ukrainian owner of two Trump condos in Florida was indicted in a money-laundering scheme involving a former prime minister of Ukraine.
Trump's Russian connections are of heightened interest because of an FBI investigation into possible collusion between Trump's presidential campaign and Russian operatives to interfere in last fall's election. What’s more, Trump and his companies have had business dealings with Russians that go back decades, raising questions about whether his policies would be influenced by business considerations.
Trump told reporters in February: "I have no dealings with Russia. I have no deals that could happen in Russia, because we’ve stayed away. And I have no loans with Russia. I have no loans with Russia at all."
Yet in 2013, after Trump addressed potential investors in Moscow, he bragged to Real Estate Weekly about his access to Russia's rich and powerful. “I have a great relationship with many Russians, and almost all of the oligarchs were in the room,” Trump said, referring to Russians who made fortunes when former Soviet state enterprises were sold to private investors.
Five years earlier, Trump's son Donald Trump Jr. told Russian media while in Moscow that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross section of a lot of our assets" in places like Dubai and Trump So Ho and elsewhere in New York.
New York City real estate broker Dolly Lenz told USA TODAY she sold about 65 condos in Trump World at 845 U.N. Plaza in Manhattan to Russian investors, many of whom sought personal meetings with Trump for his business expertise.
“I had contacts in Moscow looking to invest in the United States,” Lenz said. “They all wanted to meet Donald. They became very friendly.” Many of those meetings happened in Trump's office at Trump Tower or at sales events, Lenz said.
Dealings with Russian oligarchs concern law enforcement because many of those super-wealthy people are generally suspected of corrupt practices as a result of interconnected relationships among Russia's business elite, government security services and criminal gangs, according to former U.S. prosecutor Ken Mc Callion, as well as Steven Hall, a former CIA chief of Russian operations.
“Anybody who is an oligarch or is in any position of power in Russia got it because (President) Vladimir Putin or somebody in power saw some reason to give that person that job,” Hall said in an interview. “All the organized crime figures I’ve ever heard of (in Russia) all have deep connections and are tied in with people in government.”
FBI Director James Comey acknowledged at a congressional hearing into Russian interference in the U.S. election March 20 that many wealthy Russians may have close ties to the Kremlin and may be acting on its behalf.
Trump has not been accused of any wrongdoing in connection to any of the individuals mentioned in this article.
However, the deals, and the large number of Russians who have bought condos in Trump buildings, raise questions about the secrecy he has maintained around his real estate empire. Trump is the first president in 40 years to refuse to turn over his tax returns, which could shed light on his business dealings.
The White House declined to comment about this article, referring questions to the Trump Organization in New York. Amanda Miller, a spokeswoman for the Trump Organization, denied any transactions with people named in this article.
“The allegations ... are entirely without merit," Miller said in an email. "The Trump Organization never entered into a single transaction with any of these individuals and the condominium units were all owned and sold by third parties — not Trump.”
Trump's privately held company works through a network of subsidiaries and partnerships that make direct connections hard to trace, particularly since he has refused to release his tax filings. In addition, some of the Trump Organization's investors and buyers operate through shell companies and limited liability corporations that hide the identities of individual owners.
Trump and the Trump Organization signed licensing agreements for an ownership stake in properties such as Trump So Ho and Trump International Beach Resort, which bear the Trump name without requiring an investment by him. In the So Ho project, Trump received an 18% share of the profits in return for use of his name,according to a deposition Trump gave in 2007 for a defamation lawsuit he brought against an author.
The So Ho project
Among Trump's partners in the So Ho project was Felix Sater, a Russian immigrant who spent a year in prison for the 1991 stabbing. He later cooperated with the FBI and the CIA for a reduced sentence after he was convicted in a $40 million stock manipulation and money-laundering scheme in New York state.
Sater was a partner in the Bayrock Group, which developed the Trump So Ho. Sater's criminal past was not well-known until publicly divulged in 2007. As he sought investment opportunities in Russia, he carried business cards identifying him as a senior adviser to the Trump Organization that included the company's email and phone number.
In February, Sater introduced a Ukrainian politician pushing a pro-Russian peace proposal to Michael Cohen, Trump's personal lawyer and former chief counsel at the Trump Organization, Cohen told NBC News.
Sater, 51, did not respond to multiple emails sent to his company or to calls seeking comment. He wrote on his company website that he made some bad decisions in the past but that he had paid his debt to society and helped the government with "numerous issues of national security, including thwarting terrorist attacks against our country.” His website was dark last week, displaying the message, "Maintenance mode is on."
One source of financing recruited by Bayrock for the So Ho project was Alexander Mashkevich, according to a deposition by former Bayrock partner Jody Kriss in a federal lawsuit. A Bayrock investment pamphlet lists Mashkevich as a source of financing for the Bayrock Group. Mashkevich, a Kazakhstan mining billionaire, was accused in Belgium in 2011 in a $55 million money-laundering scheme. Mashkevich and two partners paid a fine and admitted no wrongdoing.
Federal indictments in New York, California and Illinois allege that people who bought Trump condos include felons and others accused of laundering money for Russian, Ukrainian or central Asian criminal organizations.
One indictment describes Anatoly Golubchik and Michael Sall, who own condos in Trump International Beach Resort in Sunny Isles Beach, Fla., and Vadim Trincher, who owns a unit in Trump Tower in Manhattan, as members of a Russian-American organized crime group that ran an illegal gambling and money-laundering operation.
Money laundering was an issue for Trump's Taj Mahal Casino in Atlantic City, which was fined $10 million in 2015 for failing to report suspicious transactions. Federal rules are designed to protect the U.S. financial system from being used as a safe haven for dirty money and transnational crimes, Jennifer Shasky Calvery, then-director of the U.S. Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (Fin Cen), said at the time. It was the largest penalty the agency ever levied against a casino since reporting requirements began in 2003, according to The Wall Street Journal.
"The Trump Organization admitted that it failed to implement and maintain an effective (anti-money laundering) program; failed to report suspicious transactions; failed to properly file required currency transaction reports; and failed to keep appropriate records as required by (the Bank Secrecy Act)," Fin Cen said in a statement.
The statement said warnings over repeated violations went back to 2003, but it did not mention Russians.
In Los Angeles, the federal lawsuit filed in 2014 by lawyers for the Kazakh city of Almaty accuses former mayor Viktor Khrapunov of owning three Trump So Ho units through shell companies used to hide hundreds of millions of dollars allegedly looted by selling state-owned assets. Kazakhstan is a former Soviet republic.
The Trump So Ho project "was largely financed by illegally obtained cash from Russia and Eastern European sources, including money provided by known international financial criminals and organized crime racketeers," former prosecutor Mc Callion wrote on his blog in October. Mc Callion was an assistant U.S. attorney in New York from the mid-1970s to the mid-1980s under presidents Carter and Reagan. He later investigated several Trump investors on behalf of private clients who wanted to invest in Trump So Ho and alleged they were cheated by Bayrock out of the opportunity to do so.
The Manafort connection
Mc Callion, as a private lawyer, also represented former Ukrainian prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko in a 2011 lawsuit alleging that Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign manager, engaged in a racketeering and money-laundering scheme to hide $3.5 billion in stolen funds, much of it by buying U.S. real estate.
Manafort's co-defendants were Dmitry Firtash, a Ukranian gas executive under federal indictment for bribery, and Semyon Mogelivich, identified by the Justice Department as head of a transnational criminal organization that posed a threat to U.S. national security. The lawsuit was dismissed in 2015 because Tymoshenko was unable to show the role of each defendant in the alleged money-laundering plot.
Manafort resigned from the Trump campaign in August, days after Ukrainian investigators alleged that secret ledgers showed $12.8 million was put aside for Manafort by the party of pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych, who was ousted in a popular uprising in 2014. More details about the alleged secret payments surfaced March 20.
Manafort, who has acknowledged working for pro-Russian Ukrainian politicians, has denied receiving off-the-books pay and said his compensation covered campaign staff, polling and television ads in Ukraine.
Manafort also allegedly worked for a Russian billionaire to advance Putin's interests a decade ago, the Associated Press reported March 22.
Firtash, a major donor of Yanukovych's party, was indicted in 2013 by U.S. prosecutors in Chicago for allegedly paying officials in India $18.5 million in bribes for licenses to mine titanium ore. Firtash said he is an innocent victim of American efforts to punish political allies of Putin. His extradition from Austria to the United States was approved in February and then put on hold while an Austrian judge considers a Spanish indictment against him on charges of money laundering and organized crime.
In an interview with USA TODAY, Mc Callion said he spent years looking into the Trump Organization, the businesses and individuals that dealt with it, and the possibility that Trump's real estate empire may depend on hundreds of millions of dollars from Russians.
“The FBI is always concerned if public officials can be blackmailed,” Mc Callion said. “It’s Russian-laundered money from people who operate under the good graces of President Putin. If these people pull the plug on the Trump Organization, it would go down pretty quickly.”
Luke Harding, author of A Very Expensive Poison, about the 2006 lethal poisoning of defected Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko with radioactive polonium-210 in London, said the lawlessness in former Soviet republics like Russia, Ukraine and Azerbaijan explains why businessmen from those countries seek safe havens to invest their wealth.
“If you steal money in a place like Russia, you have a problem,” Harding said. “You need to convert it to rubles and dollars and put it somewhere someone can’t steal it from you. One place to do that is buy real estate in New York, Miami or London.”
Ariel Cohen, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council think tank, said not all wealthy Russians are crooks or beholden to Putin. “It’s more complicated than that," Cohen said.
"There are oligarchs who are FO Ps (friends of Putin) and there are those who lost their assets due to corruption, abuse of power, a crummy legal system and the lack of property rights," he said. "Many of these people moved abroad, to London, New York and Florida. They are refugees from the corporate raiding Russian-style practiced for the last couple of decades."
Some became wealthy before Putin's rise to power "and in some cases are in hidden resentment or quiet opposition to Putin," Cohen said. “A lot of these people run big businesses, banks, retail, oil and gas, and these are legitimate businesses that pay taxes" in Russia.
Here is a closer look at some of the Trump project investors or condo buyers with alleged ties to organized crime and the Russian government:
Felix Sater
Sater spent a year in prison for stabbing a man in the face with a broken margarita glass at the Rio Grande restaurant and bar in New York in 1991. According a lawsuit filed by former partner Jody Kriss, Sater held a controlling share of the Bayrock Group, which developed the Trump Soho condominium tower in New York that was completed in 2010.
A federal criminal complaint in New York in 1998 accused Sater of money laundering and stock manipulation but was kept secret by prosecutors because the Russian immigrant was working as a CIA informant, according to numerous published reports. Salvatore Lauria, a co-defendant and future partner at Bayrock, co-wrote in a 2003 book that he and Sater sought to reduce their sentences by acting as middlemen for the CIA to buy weapons that fell into the hands of mobsters after the fall of the Soviet Union. The scheme fell apart, but the relationships remained, according Lauria's book, The Scorpion and the Frog: High Crimes and High Times.
Kriss, a former finance director for the developers, accused Sater, Lauria and their Bayrock partners in a 2010 federal lawsuit of diverting millions of dollars to shell companies to avoid U.S. taxes. He also claimed they kept secret Sater's criminal past and his guilty plea to racketeering charges while “he was aiding the prosecution of his Mafia and Russian organized crime confederates.”
Kriss alleged that while Bayrock was seeking money from foreign investors for Trump So Ho, it considered two groups of Russians with offices in Iceland. One group offered better terms, but Bayrock rejected that and went with the FL Group, which provided $50 million in financing and was “in favor with Putin,” according to the lawsuit that is still pending.
Sater and his co-defendants denied the allegations, calling Kriss’ lawsuit a long-running extortion scheme. But many of the racketeering and fraud claims against them survived a motion to dismiss the lawsuit, according to a Dec. 2 order signed by U.S. District Judge Lorna Schofield.
Sater's criminal past came to light in 2007. That year, Trump testified in a deposition in a defamation lawsuit that he didn't think Sater was a principal at Bayrock and that he was considering not doing business with him anymore. But Sater subsequently traveled to Russia carrying business cards identifying him as a senior adviser to Trump with a Trump Organization phone number and email address, according to photos of the card posted online by NBC, the BBC and other news organizations. In 2013, Trump said in another deposition that he didn't think Sater was connected to the Mafia, that Sater mostly dealt "with my company, not me" and that "if he was sitting in the room right now I really wouldn't know what he looked like."
Sater told The Washington Post last year that he met one-on-one numerous times with Trump. He met alongside Donald Trump Jr. in Phoenix with local officials, and in New York he met repeatedly with Trump and his staff to talk about potential deals in Los Angeles, Ukraine and China, the Post reported.
Trump's lawyer, in interviews with The New York Times and the Post, downplayed the relationship between the two men, saying Trump met and spoke with lots of people but his relationship was with Bayrock, not Sater. Sater did not respond to calls and emails sent to his office. Alexander Mashkevich
Investigators in Belgium accused Mashkevich and two of his Kazakh business partners of money laundering and forgery connected to the $55 million in alleged bribes they received from a Belgian company in the mid-1990s, according to the Financial Times. In 2011, all three men agreed to pay an undisclosed fine to settle the case. They admitted no wrongdoing, and the charges were dropped.
Mashkevich and former Bayrock partner Tevfik Arif were embroiled in a case in 2010, when Turkish police alleged prostitution and human trafficking after they raided a luxury yacht that Mashkevich chartered. After police boarded the Savarona — once owned by the founder of the modern Turkish state, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk — they arrested 10 wealthy men, including Arif, a former Kazakh official. They also found nine young women from Russia and Ukraine — two were 16 years old — and “a huge amount of contraceptives,” according to the Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth.
Mashkevich, who was not at the scene, and Arif denied being involved in anything illegal. The women stayed silent about their involvement, according to published reports. Mashkevich was not charged with a crime. Arif was charged but acquitted, and the court file was sealed. Peter Kiritchenko
Kiritchenko, a Ukrainian businessman who owned two condominiums with his daughter at Trump International Beach Resort in Sunny Isles Beach, Fla., was named in a money-laundering scheme involving former Ukraine prime minister Pavlo Lazarenko.
According to federal prosecutors in San Francisco in 2009, Kiritchenko helped Lazarenko launder millions of dollars obtained through extortion by purchasing luxury real estate in the United States and other countries. Kiritchenko was convicted of one count of receiving stolen property in California after he testified against the former prime minister. Lazarenko was sentenced to eight years in federal prison and fined $9 million after he was convicted on multiple counts of money laundering.
Viktor Khrapunov
Khrapunov, a former Kazakhstan energy minister and mayor of Almaty, owns three units in the Trump So Ho through shell companies, according to lawyers for the Kazakh city who filed a 2014 federal lawsuit against him in Los Angeles. Almaty's lawyers alleged in the lawsuit that Khrapunov used real estate in California, New York, Europe and the Middle East to hide hundreds of millions of dollars looted by selling state-owned assets. Khrapunov, who lives in Switzerland, denies the claim, saying he and his family are being targeted by a political opponent, Kazakh President
Nursultan Nazarbayev.
Three Trump condo owners — Golubchik, Trincher and Sall — were convicted in 2013 in federal court in New York of participating in an illegal high-stakes sports betting ring for a Russian-American organized crime group. The betting ring operated illegal gambling websites and catered almost exclusively to wealthy oligarchs from the former Soviet Union, according to prosecutors.
Golubchik and Trincher were principal leaders of the enterprise, which included money laundering and extortion, prosecutors charged in the indictment.
The godfather of the operation was identified as Alimzhan Tokhtakhounov, who federal prosecutors said was a Vor, “a powerful figure in former Soviet Union organized crime” who never left Russia because he was under indictment in the U.S. for his role in allegedly bribing officials at the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City.
Sall helped launder tens of millions of dollars from the gambling enterprise, prosecutors said when they announced that all three condo owners pleaded guilty to lesser charges. Sall pleaded guilty to interstate travel in aid of an unlawful activity — illegal gambling. Golubchik and Trincher pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit racketeering. Tokhtakhounov remains in Russia, which does not have an extradition treaty with the United States.
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You know, it would be funny if that recalculation of the carbon cost actually reveals that the cost is way higher than what it was pegged at previously.
If only people lived to around 150 or so, all the old climate deniers would still be around to suffer with the rest of us when the result of their policies and short-sighted greed come to fruition.
edited 28th Mar '17 3:12:51 PM by danime91
Lawmakers in deep-red Kansas just voted to expand Medicaid
. No wonder given the ruinous situation of that state's finances. The Tea Party governor will likely veto it, and the pro-expansions Republicans even with all Democrats on board (and they'll be most likely) won't have enough votes to override it.
Speaking of Lawmakers it appears the House made its decision on the importance of privacy
now the fate of internet privacy lies in Trump's hands...
Tell me, would it be expensive to switch IS Ps?
edited 28th Mar '17 3:29:19 PM by MorningStar1337

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Well, mass movements are emotionally driven and the left-wing tends to be thick with cosmopolitan and intellectual types (not diametrically opposed but still harder to rouse).
Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our livesIt probably last manifested with the awe of being part of history in 2008. (Well, not including the Women's March and the better-late-than-never activism this year). The WWC wouldn't necessarily have been immune to the effect.