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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#179851: Mar 27th 2017 at 8:00:35 PM

Small government, eh?

Do not obey in advance.
ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#179852: Mar 27th 2017 at 8:05:26 PM

[up]It was never about small government-that was just another dogwhistle to peel away support from the libertarians who were unconcerned with bigotry. Sometime between 1960 and 2008, whatever ideology the GOP possessed fractured and was replaced with "by any means necessary".

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#179853: Mar 27th 2017 at 8:07:18 PM

Re: peal of FCC regulations.

On the one hand. The House committee likely got called several times already. And simialr internet-centric bills have always faced a staunch "Hell no!" reaction since SOPA. So it is possible that the House will reject this for the following reasons.

  • Russia and Wikileaks: Some of the people there might realize that Trump and his administration would be considered untrustworthy due to the investigation and would hesitate to hand them unfettered access to everyone's traffic like that.
  • Precedent: see, the reaction to the AHCA a few days back.
  • Unpopularity: by now, most people in the House should know how much of a delicate subject the internet is when it comes to policy, and would be most likely be adamant about such hasty changes. At the very least passing this would give the public less of a reason to vote for Trump in 2020 or the people that would support this in 2018

On the other hand. The entire government has become unpredictable since Trump took office, and we don't know what Trump thinks of the internet or the FCC. Its possible the Republicans might vote along party lines and regulate the internet away piece by piece.

BTW Do you think bills like this are the result of people not knowing what the internet actually is and what role it plays in culture and politics?

edited 27th Mar '17 8:09:26 PM by MorningStar1337

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#179854: Mar 27th 2017 at 8:10:15 PM

I believe the Democrats have already put forth their own infrastructure plans, either before Trump took office or right after. The odds of Trump using it, never mind the Republicans, are probably nil.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#179855: Mar 27th 2017 at 8:12:12 PM

[up][up]

BTW Do you think bills like this are the result of people not knowing what the internet actually is and what role it plays in culture and politics?

This is a huge part of it IMHO.

[up] And unlike Trump's version, the Democratic Party one probably has (had) way less graft.

edited 27th Mar '17 8:12:58 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#179856: Mar 27th 2017 at 8:13:22 PM

[up][up][up] More like old people and corporations not knowing what the internet actually is (And the ones who do trying to profit off of it at the cost of ease of access and freedom) and what role it plays in culture and politics.

edited 27th Mar '17 8:18:04 PM by Bat178

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#179857: Mar 27th 2017 at 8:51:39 PM

I've become slightly paranoid recently about the possibility that I might have locked myself in a liberal echo chamber instead of getting actual factual news, because it's clear that CNN, NYT, WaPo and such have not taken too kindly to Trump due to his attacks on the media. How do i know I'm not just taking something as gospel just because I happen to agree with it? My parents (neither of whom are fans of Trump in the slighest) like to snark at this phenomenon. I just want to be sure I'm being properly informed...

I was too young to really understand back when it was a big deal but my impression was that SOPA and other such bills were more the result of Congress really not understanding the reality of the Internet rather than them having some kind of nefarious goal. I don't know if that's really true or if I'm a bit naive.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#179858: Mar 27th 2017 at 8:59:11 PM

[up] In a way, that's even worse than a nefarious agenda. Because it means that the people running our country are ignorant (if well-meaning) morons.

edited 27th Mar '17 8:59:28 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#179859: Mar 27th 2017 at 8:59:19 PM

[up][up] If you're worried about becoming an Echo in a Chamber, you can always tune into 'alternative' Channels. I'd say Fox News, for all it's faults, still does "News". You just have to remember that every modern News Source will have its biases, its propaganda and its story-that-turns-out-to-be-false and keep a keen eye on all of that. Because my parents (particularly my mother) constantly play Right-Wing Radio 'Reporters' and Fox News, I'm constantly exposed to both sides of the news.

[up] What else is new?

edited 27th Mar '17 8:59:45 PM by DingoWalley1

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#179860: Mar 27th 2017 at 9:02:01 PM

If you're interested in getting news from places that are still at least reputable but offer a slightly different view, The Economist I think is slightly more right-leaning on economic issues IIRC so it might be worth it to start checking it out.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#179861: Mar 27th 2017 at 9:04:06 PM

[up][up] The problem with that is that doing so contributes to FOX News' ratings. I'd rather not support that prick Murdoch in any way if I can help it.

"Conservative" Echo Chambers are a friggin' minefield. Some of them are relatively sane, but others tend to be magnets for all sorts of nativist bigotry and sexism.

As for a "Conservative" and reputable news source...I'm partial to Forbes.

edited 27th Mar '17 9:07:47 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#179862: Mar 27th 2017 at 9:08:10 PM

[up][up]Oh, The Economist is probably my favorite news source. I'm happy to see it whenever it comes. The only issue is that it's weekly instead of instantly accessible like most of the others.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#179863: Mar 27th 2017 at 9:20:02 PM

In a time before the rise of the Trump gang, political tradition was to lie by way of Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics. No matter the news source, it'll be mixed in with impressions that demand your own reasoning.
Even if you know nothing about the subject in the news, a quick shorthand (shorthand, not infallible method) as to what's fact and conjecture on facts and what is bs is to think of what's being said that is falsifiable (roughly what you can disprove by your own reasoning) rather than what can be proved true. (This does nothing at all for flat out lying, but helps separate interpretations of facts from flat out delusion).

edited 27th Mar '17 9:21:17 PM by CenturyEye

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LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#179864: Mar 27th 2017 at 9:26:57 PM

It's amazing how quickly that Trump is able to make the term "fake news" completely meaningless.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
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A procrastination in of itself
#179865: Mar 27th 2017 at 10:09:41 PM

If you want reliable news sources you can always look abroad, while all organisations have their biases you'll find that the likes of CBC, the BBC, al jazeera and similar will report on the US's domestic politics in a fair manner. Foreign afairs relating to their home countries will obviously get a bias, so that's worth keeping in mind.

As for CNN being on the anti-Trump train, I'm not convinced, CNN isn't angry or out to hurt Trump, it's feeling rejected and wants his approval, CNN would love to get back in Trump's good graces, they helped create this situation remember and they seem to love claiming that Trump is being presidential when he manages to keep his mouth shut for a few days.

I'd bet money that come 2020 CNN will insist that whatever Democrat is equally bad as Trump, because they will once again want a horse race and the ratings that come with one.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#179866: Mar 27th 2017 at 10:35:05 PM

Could someone please tell me which law the travel ban was found to be in violation of? I need the info for something but I can't find the answer for the life of me.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#179867: Mar 27th 2017 at 10:37:16 PM

Well, we just lost 4 more Obama-era regulations to the heretofore sparingly-used Congressional Review Act.

HR 37 - repeals the "blacklisting rule", which explicitly stated that the US government would not contract companies with a history of wage, labor, and/or workplace safety laws.

HR 44 - Reduces the power of the Bureau of Land Management in regards to the use of Federally-owned land out west, which was opposed strongly by the Energy industry.

HR 57/58 - provisions of the "Every Student Succeeds" act, which measured student and teacher performance.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#179868: Mar 27th 2017 at 10:40:22 PM

Cost-benefit ratio seems like. Apparently he needed to account for the damage some states would suffer before taking executive action and failed to do so.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#179869: Mar 27th 2017 at 10:42:28 PM

[up][up][up][up] by googling an excerpt form you post, I might had found an answer.

from Slate: the 1st amendment, the Equal Protection clause of the 14th, the Due Process clause, Habeas Corpus clause, and Family Reunification Rights.

edited 27th Mar '17 10:42:58 PM by MorningStar1337

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#179870: Mar 27th 2017 at 10:42:46 PM

Thanks

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
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A procrastination in of itself
#179871: Mar 27th 2017 at 10:48:28 PM

I know that in at least one instance it was found to be in violation of rules against religious discrimination, the judge basically ruled that it is a Muslim Ban no matter how hard Trump tries to insist otherwise, because he campaigned on it being a Muslim Ban.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#179872: Mar 27th 2017 at 11:30:38 PM

What does California need to meet its climate change goals? Denser housing and less driving for starters, report says. Apparently they would need some large scale changes in development policies. Oh yeah, and one would get more economic growth from these too.

There is a renewed push to remove the McCarran name in Nevada. Dude was a raging bigot, apparently.

California was once a bastion of xenophobia and racism. If we can change, so can the rest of the country.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#179873: Mar 27th 2017 at 11:38:47 PM

Remove bigots like Dulles and Reagan from buildings too please.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#179874: Mar 28th 2017 at 3:11:02 AM

[up][up]but muh housing prices

Seriously, I want to know how one goes about bulldozing the middle class' wealth storage successfully, because right now we need to shift away from the idea of home-as-investment if we're ever to get rid of the constant NIMBYism that's choking necessary development, which means (among other things) killing the mortgage interest deduction.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#179875: Mar 28th 2017 at 5:45:23 AM

[up] Dumb question: Does that mean people should want to buy houses or should not?


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