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JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#179726: Mar 26th 2017 at 7:16:05 PM

I have heard stories of people who are surprised that Trump is rounding up "the good ones," AKA people they liked.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#179727: Mar 26th 2017 at 7:16:22 PM

[up][up][up] I only know of one: Of a Mexican who has lived 'illegally' in this country for 20+ years in Indiana. He owned a Restaurant, had a family, had an SS Card, and was generally beloved by the Community. Him and his wife, and his wife's family, voted for Trump, and he was then arrested only a week into Trump's tenure, to the shock of the entire town. I hear he's only weeks away from being deported, and that nobody has been able to get him free.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were more, though.

edited 26th Mar '17 7:16:49 PM by DingoWalley1

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#179728: Mar 26th 2017 at 7:17:00 PM

Yes but Biden isn't under FBI investigation or disliked like Hillary is. Biden's also got a bit of that charisma.

Biden wouldn't have brought out anyone new to vote but he would've picked off supporters from both sides.

That he resembles Hillary ideologically is what makes me think that it would've ultimately come down between Sanders and Biden rather than Hillary.

Okay, maybe I wasn't altogether clear: His son just died. This isn't some "Well, maybe..." This is quite simply "Biden himself clearly said he wasn't sure if he could have made the effort due to his grief over the death of his child." And this assumes Biden's own issues don't crop up in a general election, with his support for the Bankruptcy Bill to name just one.

Also, kindly drop that talking point of "FBI investigation!" What happened was a complete, trivial nonscandal that amounted to nothing, where the head of the FBI announced the investigation was done and absolutely no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges. As anyone with knowledge of the case and statute could foresee. What could not be foreseen was said Director of the FBI going on to inappropriately editorialize to damage a candidate.

What could further not be foreseen was said director inserting himself into the race eight days before the election to sabotage a candidate. What could have made a difference, meanwhile, is the notion of not painting a reliable center-left policy wonk as the daughter of Satan, deciding she was the Face Of The Corrupt Establishment Responsible For All Ills in the World And Every Bad Thing In The Last Twenty Years Please Pay No Attention To My Vote On the Crime Bill Please. I am not blaming Sanders supporters, or even Bernie or busters for this but to pretend that the leftist rhetoric against Clinton wasn't insanely irresponsible doesn't work.

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#179729: Mar 26th 2017 at 7:17:40 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]Yes-there were a couple of stories posted a week or more ago; one about an Iranian family that voted for Trump and found their family stranded overseas by the first ban, and a Syrian man who stumped for the Republicans and found his green card suspended. It may not be many but this is definitely happening; a search should turn up the article links.

edited 26th Mar '17 7:17:55 PM by ViperMagnum357

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#179730: Mar 26th 2017 at 7:19:05 PM

[up]x7 There's at least one:

[up]x 6 This is that one

edited 26th Mar '17 7:21:41 PM by CenturyEye

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#179731: Mar 26th 2017 at 7:28:39 PM

[up][up][up] HRC was getting it from both sides. Hell, they often used the same damn talking points. The entire reason Trump offered vocal support to Sanders during the Democratic primaries was that Sanders and his supporters kept providing Trump with more talking points he could (and did) use against HRC in the general election.

As for Biden...I agree. The man's son died recently. I know that if I was in that position, I wouldn't be able to focus on campaigning or running the country afterwards.

edited 26th Mar '17 7:38:50 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#179732: Mar 26th 2017 at 7:47:59 PM

Trump Surrogate and Special Aide, Boris Epshtyn, has resigned from his position. No reason has been given as to why.

It doesn't matter why Epshtyn is leaving, he seems like a terrible person all around. This guy physically assaulted a person in Arizona in 2014, and only avoided Jail Time by going to Anger Management and doing Community Service.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#179733: Mar 26th 2017 at 7:58:58 PM

Shouldn't that guy being deported have been covered by being married to an American? Or is that only a sitcom plot?

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#179734: Mar 26th 2017 at 7:59:50 PM

It takes years upon years for citizenship via marriage to go into effect.

And it's the fastest way to get citizenship too.

Oh really when?
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#179735: Mar 26th 2017 at 8:06:44 PM

Wouldn't surprise me if there was some paperwork involved too. Paperwork which they somehow forgot.

It'd be darkly amusing if that specific case could have been averted if they had just signed and filled out a few forms.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#179736: Mar 26th 2017 at 8:30:42 PM

Another rat leaves the ship.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#179737: Mar 26th 2017 at 8:31:34 PM

A new position at the WH is being made for Trump's Son-in-law Krushner:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/325869-kushner-to-lead-white-house-innovation-office-report

Ain't nepotism great.

edited 26th Mar '17 8:31:56 PM by nightwyrm_zero

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#179739: Mar 26th 2017 at 8:52:10 PM

I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#179740: Mar 26th 2017 at 8:54:19 PM

[up][up] Heh, maybe Ryan should have gotten on all fours to beg the guy like a dog. It wouldn't surprise me if Ryan actually considered doing that.

If there's any silver lining to this clusterfuck, it's the total emasculation of Paul Ryan.

That said, if he does end up being replaced as Speaker, with our luck his replacement will make us miss him, just as his appointment made some of us miss Boehner.

edited 26th Mar '17 8:56:25 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#179741: Mar 26th 2017 at 8:55:46 PM

[up][up][up]This bit cracks me up:

At one point, the paper said, House Speaker Paul Ryan (Wis.) got down on one knee to plead with Rep. Don Young of Alaska — the longest serving Republican in Congress — to support the bill. (He was unsuccessful.)

Scha. Den. Fruede.

edited 26th Mar '17 8:56:09 PM by kkhohoho

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#179742: Mar 26th 2017 at 8:55:48 PM

Thing is, I'm not certain Paul Ryan taking the blame for this is a good thing, because despite the fact that he deserves a good portion of the blame, he's also one of saner high-ranking voices in Washington.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#179743: Mar 26th 2017 at 8:55:51 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Yeah, if you literally have to grovel at anyone's feet to try to accomplish something, you know you're screwed. Ryan really should resign. Hell, he should probably leave Congress entirely over this.

[up] Let's face it, it doesn't matter that he's one of the saner voices in the Republican Party; the Party is run by nuts who, apparently, don't give two craps about his leadership. If they aren't going to listen to him, it doesn't matter how sane he is, because they will act insane no matter what he wants.

edited 26th Mar '17 8:57:31 PM by DingoWalley1

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#179744: Mar 26th 2017 at 8:57:47 PM

[up][up] OTOH, what good is a voice of sanity if it's too chickenshit to speak out against the crazy?

Disgusted, but not surprised
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#179745: Mar 26th 2017 at 8:58:55 PM

Is it weird if I'm kind of proud that one of my state reps hurt Paul Ryan by not voting for his "health" "care" bill?

Do not obey in advance.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#179746: Mar 26th 2017 at 9:00:32 PM

[up] Depends on why he voted against it. He's not one of the Teapublican nutjobs, right?

Also, now that I think about it, I'm not sure Paul Ryan could be considered a voice of reason. I guess he's relatively sane, but he's still a bit too into Ayn Rand's Objectivist crap.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#179747: Mar 26th 2017 at 9:01:39 PM

I'd be more annoyed by the fact that all the focus on Ryan allows Trump an easy scapegoat.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#179748: Mar 26th 2017 at 9:02:23 PM

I'd take an ineffectual and flawed voice of reason over somebody actively contributing to the crazy any day.

[up]I can sympathize with that, but I can't agree, because a) it is, in fact, probably more Ryan's fault than Trump's, b) scapegoating congress is a bad idea, because he'll need to stay on their good side if he wants to get anything done and not just spend the next four years looking incompetent and weak.

edited 26th Mar '17 9:04:51 PM by Gilphon

Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#179749: Mar 26th 2017 at 9:03:40 PM

Pretty much what Dingo said. It should be painfully clear at this point that trying to keep sane Republicans around is the equivalent of trying to plug the hole in a sinking ship with cheese graters: it's going down either way, it's not getting rid of the water that's already in the boat, and you're probably just going to cut yourself on them in the process. The "sane" Republicans are no longer in control of the party. At least their being purged by the radicals should drive moderate voters toward the Democrats, or at least away from voting Republican for a while.

edited 26th Mar '17 9:04:04 PM by Wryte

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#179750: Mar 26th 2017 at 9:05:55 PM

[up][up] You still have to remember, though, that he was the ass who helped write the AHCA. If he had it his way, the bill would've been in the Senate by now. Plus, Ryan is deep in Trump's pockets. If the voice of Sanity is aligned with Trump... I think I'd rather align with the nutters right now...

edited 26th Mar '17 9:06:57 PM by DingoWalley1


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