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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#179551: Mar 25th 2017 at 12:12:45 PM

It didn't have much to do with logic afaik. A lot of Republicans were apparently not gonna vote for it because it didn't screw over people enough.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#179552: Mar 25th 2017 at 12:12:52 PM

That's not why it was killed. The Freedom Caucus thought it was too generous so they refused to support it.

edit: Although there were a few Republicans that realized it would screw over their constituents and didn't want to lose their seats. There weren't as many of those though.

edited 25th Mar '17 12:22:10 PM by Kostya

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#179553: Mar 25th 2017 at 12:13:33 PM

This was not a victory of reason. Trumpcare died because the most reactionary members of the Republican party in the House didn't think it was extreme enough. We're still deep in crazytown.

Double-[nja]

edited 25th Mar '17 12:13:49 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#179554: Mar 25th 2017 at 1:19:15 PM

But sometimes crazy can be exploited or benefited from.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#179555: Mar 25th 2017 at 1:25:34 PM

66% of polled Americans want a more independent investigation of Trump's Russia connections.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#179556: Mar 25th 2017 at 1:28:17 PM

President Trump's chief strategist Stephen Bannon sought to use the healthcare vote this week to make an "enemies list" of lawmakers who would vote "no" on the GOP initiative, The New York Times reported Saturday.

A Hill GOP aide involved in last-minute negotiations told the Times that Bannon and White House legislative affairs director Marc Short pressured the president to let the House vote on the Obama Care replacement bill.

Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), however, strongly advised Trump against letting the bill go to a public vote on Friday, as several dozen Republicans remained opposed to the legislation.

According to the Times, Ryan argued that publicly exposing the GOP lawmakers who opposed the bill could do substantial damage to Republicans, especially those who could face primary challenges.

Ryan also reportedly maintained that the move would alienate some rank-and-file Republicans whose support will be needed in pursuing the GOP's upcoming legislative agenda, such as raising the debt ceiling, and do nothing to punish the conservative Freedom Caucus that vocally opposed the bill from the start.

Trump was initially unconvinced about pulling the bill from the House, the Times reported, but following a bleak vote count that showed the bill lacking support, the president told Ryan to withdraw the legislation.

Link.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#179557: Mar 25th 2017 at 1:32:34 PM

Oh. So it's not sanity returning.

Good. I...think.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#179559: Mar 25th 2017 at 1:39:20 PM

Please be true, please.

Nothing on the major news sites yet, so I'm not getting my hopes up.

edited 25th Mar '17 1:40:03 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#179560: Mar 25th 2017 at 1:49:35 PM

[up]x7 Out of morbid curiosity, just how extreme would it have to be to get a full pass in the house?

edited 25th Mar '17 1:50:13 PM by kkhohoho

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#179561: Mar 25th 2017 at 2:01:14 PM

~Tactical Fox 88

Your twitter link about Flynn is now dead, FYI. So maybe this is nothing.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#179562: Mar 25th 2017 at 2:03:38 PM

[up] I can still get into it.

If this is true, then may God help us all...

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#179563: Mar 25th 2017 at 2:03:48 PM

[up][up][up]It would probably need to be a full repeal.

edited 25th Mar '17 2:04:08 PM by Kostya

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#179564: Mar 25th 2017 at 2:09:11 PM

[up][up][up]non mobile link to The tweet Tactical inked

edited 25th Mar '17 2:09:46 PM by MorningStar1337

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#179565: Mar 25th 2017 at 2:10:14 PM

Bannon is pushing the envelope, I think. Too many attempts to intimidate congresscritters will cause them to hit back sooner or later.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#179566: Mar 25th 2017 at 2:10:40 PM

[up][up][up][up]Huh. I get an error (every time, and the rest of my internet works fine, including twitter) along the lines of :Corrupted Content Error The site at https://mobile.twitter.com/sethabramson/status/845719948018302977 has experienced a network protocol violation that cannot be repaired. Which I never seen before... any ideas?

And as for a new healthcare law passing, it would have to be a decent one. Trumpcare pisses off the reactionaries (and the Dems), while a full repeal scares off the moderates (who team up with the Dems to stop it). So he'd need to bring up something that could appease the Democrats and mainstream Republicans. Good luck, Ryan.

[up][up]Thanks.

[up]This I agree with, going for the stick while leaving out the carrot doesn't work. Bannon is no LBJ or Nixon.

edited 25th Mar '17 2:12:06 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#179567: Mar 25th 2017 at 2:19:38 PM

Bannon is dead set to piss off people far more powerful than himself.

My take on this? Let him do it, it will destroy the Republican's reputation and potentially kick out Bannon from having too much of a say because everything he touches will be tainted for Republicans as it is for the Democrats.

Inter arma enim silent leges
MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#179568: Mar 25th 2017 at 2:21:10 PM

[up] I expect comparisons to the Midas myth. Everything he touches turns to mold tongue

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#179569: Mar 25th 2017 at 2:22:07 PM

Question: Does anyone know offhand if any recent Presidents had a similar level of failure within their first hundred days? I mean in the sense of "major legislative promises failing" not the sheer scale of Trump's failure

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#179570: Mar 25th 2017 at 2:25:23 PM

Not off the top of my head. Even Nixon managed to last almost two years before Watergate started to collapse his public approval and damage his legislation.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#179571: Mar 25th 2017 at 2:29:33 PM

Not for Obama (2009) as far as I can tell. I don't even know if he had engaged plans on the ACA in that period. He had an almost 70% approval rating.

I can't check for Bush's on Wikipedia, the only 3 presidents with pages dedicatied to what I dub their "Napoleonic period" (the first 100 days) there are Obama, Roosevelt and Trump himself.

edited 25th Mar '17 2:30:08 PM by MorningStar1337

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#179572: Mar 25th 2017 at 2:29:55 PM

This is interesting:

http://www.newsweek.com/alex-jones-apologize-pizzagate-fake-news-574025

InfoWars Alex Jones is apologizing for pushing Pizzagate.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#179573: Mar 25th 2017 at 2:30:14 PM

@Dingo Walley 1: Overreacting much?

edited 25th Mar '17 2:30:28 PM by kkhohoho

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#179574: Mar 25th 2017 at 2:32:56 PM

[up] Not if it's true, it's not. Then again, it may not be true. But if it is true...

[up][up] Well, that's... nice...? I guess? Doesn't really make up for reporting such nonsense in the first place.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#179575: Mar 25th 2017 at 2:34:10 PM

[up]If it is true, then what? No offense, but you're going to have to spell out the full implications for me here.


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