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Lost in Space
#179526: Mar 25th 2017 at 6:45:38 AM

Interesting how relevant this is to U.S. Politics. *cough*

edited 25th Mar '17 6:47:00 AM by Fighteer

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#179527: Mar 25th 2017 at 6:52:17 AM

[up] While I'm pretty sure Sarcasm Mode is in effect, it actually kind of has been busy a vis Trump.

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#179528: Mar 25th 2017 at 6:54:55 AM

Getting back on-topic: If the Republicans had given up on opposing ACA for now, anything else they can mess up in terms of opposing?

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#179529: Mar 25th 2017 at 6:56:46 AM

Well, they're certainly going to attempt a run at tax policy soon; it's one of the signature issues of the corporate-shill GOP, of which Ryan is the champion.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#179530: Mar 25th 2017 at 7:04:29 AM

[up] And what about Net Neutrality? Is there anything of it that will cause a headache amongst the Republicans?

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#179531: Mar 25th 2017 at 7:16:16 AM

[up]They will probably just let who ever is (or becomes) head of the FCC deal with that through deregulation for now. It's something that is lower on the priorities list then a lot of other things.

I hate to say this, but giving up on "repeal and replace" (for now) was probably a smart move by the Republicans since by the time mid-terms role around people will have likely forgotten about it and tax reform is something they can much more easily sell to the public since, hey everybody's taxes are going to be lower (even if they aren't going to be much if at all lower for most people).

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#179532: Mar 25th 2017 at 7:19:17 AM

Not so sure about that. Some people will worry about tax cuts being an unaffordable luxury. And after seven years of ranting about Obamacare and premium increases, the issue will not go away quietly.

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#179533: Mar 25th 2017 at 7:43:22 AM

[up]This was the same party that nearly sank the world economy back in 2013 over abortion and still saw big gains in the next year's election. Do not overestimate people's memory or attention span.

Besides, unless the CBO comes out and says there will actually be a huge tax increase for some people then there won't be nearly the outrage or fear that was prompted by the prospect of tens of millions of people losing their healthcare coverage.

Mind you, some people in the Freedom caucus might be dumb enough to push for repeal anyway, but we'll have to wait and see on that.

[down]That's what I was kind of referencing, but yes that too.

edited 25th Mar '17 8:30:33 AM by Mio

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#179534: Mar 25th 2017 at 8:18:05 AM

[up]

You forgot the "We don't like Obamacare, so we're going to scuttle the entire Federal Government and blame it on the Democrats for refusing to compromise" of October 2013.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#179535: Mar 25th 2017 at 9:41:59 AM

So, Flynn and a few others didn't just talk to Turkey about extraditing Gulen during the campaign; they flat out discussed illegal rendition.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39391911

Man, I'm not normally a fan of the death penalty, but I wouldn't shed any tears if Flynn had an appointment with a firing squad.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#179536: Mar 25th 2017 at 9:49:16 AM

I don't see why everyone's acting so surprised about it. Flynn and Trump were both openly talking about finding ways to send him to Turkey during the election.

edited 25th Mar '17 9:49:43 AM by carbon-mantis

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#179537: Mar 25th 2017 at 9:53:04 AM

Why go through the trouble? Just set it up so he accidentally gets hit by a bus.

"Such a tragedy sobsob oh well, back to business."

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#179538: Mar 25th 2017 at 9:57:36 AM

Guys, can we PLEASE STOP talking about assassinating people? It's fucking disgusting, I don't care how awful the people we're talking about are. It doesn't stop being disgusting just because it's about someone you don't like.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#179540: Mar 25th 2017 at 10:05:29 AM

I think then it's especially important not to go around talking about assassination, even jokingly.

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#179541: Mar 25th 2017 at 10:10:20 AM

I think they were referencing Trump and Flynn assassinating Gulen...

Autopsies: In the Red Heart of the Bible Belt: Shock, awe, tears and cheers in Ga. after GOP health bill collapses

WASHINGTON — There were plenty of ominous signs Friday that the House GOP did not have the votes to pass its health care overhaul, but that didn’t make anything less dramatic shortly after 3:30 p.m., when the news was broken to Republican lawmakers that their effort to overhaul Obamacare had collapsed.

The looks on the faces of many congressmen coming out of a closed-door meeting in the bowels of the U.S. Capitol was nothing short of shell-shocked. Early reaction from lawmakers ranged from the hopeful to the upset.

“The game’s not over,” Rep. Barry Loudermilk, R-Cassville, insisted. “We’re taking a half time right here to go home, get some rest, come back and continue on.”

“It’s never going to happen,” Rep. Tom Rooney, R-Fla., said five minutes earlier.

“I guess people who like Obamacare can thank the Freedom Caucus,” Rep. Austin Scott, R-Tifton, said minutes after the decision to pull the legislation was announced. “People who wanted us to replace it should know that the majority of us were trying to do the right thing and get a new piece of legislation passed.”

Rep. Doug Collins, a member of the House leadership team, also didn’t hold back.

“Because I am convinced that human life and dignity deserve fierce protection under the law, I am unable to understand how many of my colleagues allowed political myopia to prevent them from supporting the opportunity to defund America’s largest abortion peddler,” the Gainesville Republican said.

By our tally, eight of Georgia’s nine House Republicans were planning to vote for the legislation. The lone critic was Jody Hice of Monroe, Georgia’s only Freedom Caucus member. He had rejected earlier versions of the bill, but his position on its final incarnation was unknown.

After the legislation was shelved, Hice thanked Ryan and the White House for being willing to negotiate.

“This is all part of the legislative process and taking the time to do it right will ultimately lead us to a good place — the full repeal of Obamacare in favor of market-oriented health care solutions that benefit all Americans,” he said in a statement.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#179542: Mar 25th 2017 at 10:14:33 AM

Doug Collins is the one that stood out to me. "I am unable to understand how many of my colleagues allowed political myopia to prevent them from supporting the opportunity to defund America’s largest abortion peddler,"

Um... buddy, that's not actually what you were doing... not primarily, anyway.

edited 25th Mar '17 10:14:46 AM by sgamer82

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#179543: Mar 25th 2017 at 10:21:35 AM

Yeah, I'm sure if Gulen gets extradited back to Turkey he's going to live a long and fruitful life.

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#179544: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:15:38 AM

[up] Yeah, if Erdogan gets his claws on Gulen, Gulen's remaining lifespan will depend on how quickly Erdogan gets bored of torturing him.

edited 25th Mar '17 11:16:12 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#179545: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:17:53 AM

Or he just skips the torture and murders him on the tarmac.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#179546: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:20:31 AM

Actually now that I think about it, Erdogan would probably put Gulen through a show trial first where he gets to blame everything bad in Turkey on him.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Blueeyedrat Since: Oct, 2010
#179547: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:27:37 AM

Whoops!

Basketball fans tonight in several Republican-adjacent TV markets are enjoying a series of ads, prematurely bought by the American Action Network PAC, inviting viewers to call their representatives to thank them for repealing Obamacare today—something that did not happen.

Above you see an ad praising Virginia’s Barbara Comstock; it ran during the Wizards-Nets game. Below are ads for Fresno’s David Valadao and Des Moines’s David Young; both ran on CBS stations before March Madness coverage. Money well-spent, we think.

Comment section highlights:

As a Wizards fan this is at least fifteenth most depressingly hilarious thing I have seen during a basketball game

The GOP blew a 237-193 lead in the House.

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#179548: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:36:10 AM

Actually, if you archive the last few days in European politics, we have it easy. Erdogan threatened the safety of westerners everywhere with oranges and cows. (No, I will not explain. It'll spoil the ending...)

Despite the title, the point of import is what Mr. Ryan has learned about government...Trump defiant after healthcare bill pulled before vote

Speaking after the withdrawal, Mr Trump repeatedly said Obamacare would "explode", without explaining why. note 

However, he refrained from criticising Mr Ryan, whose job as speaker of the House involves rallying support for controversial bills.

Mr Trump said: "I like Speaker Ryan. I think Paul really worked hard.''

Mr Ryan also told reporters the president had been "really been fantastic''.

The AHCA was the first major piece of legislation pushed by the White House and the Republican-controlled Congress, a key political test early in the president's term, when he should be at the height of his power and party cohesion at its strongest.

In spite of all of this, Mr Trump, Mr Ryan and the Republicans running Washington could not get the job done.

For Republicans Friday wasn't just bad. It was a disaster.

"We have to let Obamacare go its own way for a little while," he told reporters at the Oval Office, adding that if the Democrats were "civilised and came together", the two parties could work out a "great healthcare bill".

"We learned about loyalty; we learned a lot about the vote-getting process," he said.

Earlier Mr Ryan told reporters: "We are going to be living with Obamacare for the foreseeable future.

"I will not sugar-coat this. This is a disappointing day for us. Doing big things is hard.

"We were a 10-year opposition party where being against things was easy to do," he said, adding that it was difficult to get "people to agree with each other in how we do things".

Meanwhile, the leader of the House minority Democrats, Nancy Pelosi, described the retraction as "a victory for the American people".

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#179549: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:50:07 AM

Last time I looked, Gulen's health on top of his age was such that he is unlikely to be long for this world anyway and he mostly wants to end his days quietly. Which makes Eodagon gunning for him all the more pathetic. If he is treated roughly I don't know if he would survive through a trial.

edited 25th Mar '17 11:51:50 AM by Elle

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#179550: Mar 25th 2017 at 12:10:00 PM

Man you guys shot down Trumpcare?

Why now? Why start with logic and reason now? After all that's happened what has changed between the republican primaries and now

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes

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