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#179451: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:14:42 PM

I'm getting an impression that it's another one of those "perfect is the enemy of good" situations.

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#179452: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:17:20 PM

[up] Very much so. Just about anything beats the U.S. system pre-Obamacare, and while the latter is not perfect, it's a stepping stone to even better things later. Especially as it survived the repeal attempt.

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#179453: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:18:05 PM

Cynical me has always thought that waiting times are shorter in the US because fewer people can afford to actually seek treatment.

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#179454: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:22:21 PM

[up]Far from a myth; a lot of people put off going to the doctor because they fear getting pulled into an expensive battery of tests on a doctor's say so and having no way to pay for it-accurate or not, the fear is real. I know several people personally who flat out refuse to go to the doctor without a life threatening injury or sickness.

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#179455: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:22:58 PM

This is all I have to say to the GOP over this Ryancare fiasco. ^.^

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#179456: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:26:15 PM

I know I don't go to a doctor unless I think I'm dying.

Oh really when?
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#179457: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:26:23 PM

So, Trump is blaming this failure on the Democrats for not voting with him. Because its only logical that they'd support the gutting of their best domestic policy achievement in a generation.

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#179458: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:30:38 PM

When people talk about wait times in Canada, they tend to omit something rather important. If you're there for a weird rash or a persistent cough, you'll probably be waiting a while. However, if you show up with appendicitis, or persistent bleeding that won't go away, or something genuinely life threatening, you're immediately bumped to the top of the wait list. As long as you're clear about what the actual problem is.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#179459: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:30:38 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/03/24/democrats-introduce-mar-a-lago-act/99585476/

A group of Democratic members of Congress are playing the clever acronym game again.

One of the latest to be introduced and to target the Trump administration: the "Making Access Records Available to Lead American Government Openness Act."

Yes, the "MAR-A-LAGO Act."

The legislation would require the publication of White House visitor logs, something that was done regularly by the Obama administration but has since ended since President Trump took office. It would also mandate the release of visitor logs at other locations where the president conducts business — for example, Mar-a-Lago, Trump's Florida resort that he has recently called the Southern White House.

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#179460: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:42:03 PM

[up] Doesn't have a chance in hell of passing, but still funny.

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#179461: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:43:00 PM

Now I wonder...what would happen if Congress flips in 2018 and we get Blue Senate and Blue House

Would Trump simply start vetoing everything out if spite?

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#179462: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:44:08 PM

Of course not.

Pence will start vetoing everything out of spite once Trump's been impeached for his numerous, numerous actionable offenses that the GOP refuses to talk about.

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#179463: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:47:27 PM

That reminds me, is it possible to impeach Pence as well?

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#179464: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:48:08 PM

[up][up]I think Pence would have enough dignity and understanding of Politics that, even though he wouldn't work well with a Democrat Congress, they would work.

But you're also assuming that the Republicans will have had impeached Trump between now and next year. Trump doesn't really face any problems with Impeachment unless a) it's December 2018 or b) they find something really bad about Trump that they have to do it.

[up] Not unless he does something Criminal. So far, he hasn't slandered anyone, he hasn't tried to obstruct justice, he hasn't abused his power, and he hasn't been collaborating with the Russians (as far as we know). A lot of Trump's administration will at least be tried on these Grounds in 2018-2019, even Trump himself will, but Pence will probably not.

edited 24th Mar '17 2:53:12 PM by DingoWalley1

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#179465: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:48:52 PM

If he's found to be connected to anything, yes. At which point succession would fall to the President pro tempore of the Senate.

Don't get your hopes up on that front, though. Pence has been heavily divorced from all this Russia nonsense.

[up] No, the assumption is actually that if by some miracle the Dems retake both houses of Congress in 2018, the first order of business will be showing Trump the door.

edited 24th Mar '17 2:49:47 PM by TobiasDrake

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#179466: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:52:52 PM

It's disturbing how Pence is the most respectable member of this oil slick fire, cabal of cartoon villains, nightmarish carnival of bestial, unending horror administration.

edited 24th Mar '17 3:02:24 PM by iflewaway

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#179467: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:53:58 PM

You know, when I was driving to college today, I was listening to NPR and on the radio, there was a Republican i.e. 3D Realms Senator from Arizona who was explaining why he supports the AHCA.

I wonder how he's feeling now?

Eh, fuck him. Bartender, give me more of that schadenfreude!

edited 24th Mar '17 2:54:39 PM by fredhot16

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#179468: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:55:24 PM

Schadenfreude is the order of the day today.

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#179470: Mar 24th 2017 at 3:04:48 PM

[up]Wow, that's way more honest than anything I've expected out of a Republican these days.

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#179471: Mar 24th 2017 at 3:04:58 PM

I'm confused. What did they want out of all this?

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#179472: Mar 24th 2017 at 3:07:48 PM

[up] It's summed up best as "OBAMA BAD!"

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#179473: Mar 24th 2017 at 3:08:36 PM

Impeaching Pence directly after Trump with a Democratic House is really risky, because the GOP could play up the legal coup angle. Better to leave him in power (crippled by a hostile Congress, and with no political capital) until 2020.

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#179474: Mar 24th 2017 at 3:09:44 PM

Basically. What they wanted was to rant and rage and cry about how everything Obama ever touched was bad.

Problem was, with the insane amount of control over Washington they won in this election, now they had to put their money where their mouth was and nobody had even the slightest idea how to do that. Repealing Obamacare was a troll-bill that they loved passing around because it made for great sound-bytes.

The Republicans were a farce of a party long before Trump got here.

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#179475: Mar 24th 2017 at 3:11:32 PM

[up][up][up][up] Depends on who you ask. Ask a Teapublican, they wanted a complete deregulation of Health Care and they didn't want Government in it at all. Ask a Moderate, they wanted a good Health Care Replacement that minimized Government involvement but made sure people were protected the 'Conservative way'. Ask Ryan and Trump's Faction, they wanted a Win against the last 8 Years, a Win that would cement their way as the 'right' way, and it didn't matter if it was Wrong or Bad, they just wanted a Win.

In the end, only the United Democratic Front got what they wanted: To keep Obamacare as the law of the land for as long as possible, without the opposing side just wanting it to be killed off.

edited 24th Mar '17 3:12:21 PM by DingoWalley1


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