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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#179427: Mar 24th 2017 at 1:13:10 PM

Imagine telling someone this would be a potential headline two years ago:

"House Freedom Caucus saves the country by keeping Obamacare in place. "

[lol][lol][lol]

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danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#179428: Mar 24th 2017 at 1:16:16 PM

[up]I'm still somewhat ashamed of the fact that an actual headline could be "House Freedom Caucus Saves Country By Saying Obamacare Replacement Isn't Screwing Over Enough People".

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#179430: Mar 24th 2017 at 1:21:46 PM

Paul Ryan just confirmed that the GOP is moving on from Healthcare and Obamacare is the "Law of the land for the foreseeable future."

Get.

Fucked.

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#179431: Mar 24th 2017 at 1:23:59 PM

Mind if we celebrate by playing Guile's theme?

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Proglottid Since: Mar, 2010
#179432: Mar 24th 2017 at 1:26:26 PM

[up] Better, someone just put Vincent Price's laugh from Thriller in a loop

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#179433: Mar 24th 2017 at 1:29:59 PM

There's a real sense of catharsis to this.

It also makes the GOP, and by extension, Trump, look really weak.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#179434: Mar 24th 2017 at 1:30:25 PM

You guys sure they didn't do domething while using this as camouflage?

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#179435: Mar 24th 2017 at 1:31:02 PM

The ACA is still exposed to executive attacks, but Congress can't touch it. The Tea Party is too fanatical to vote for anything less than a total repeal, which the moderates realize could kill the party. And since the Tea Party are one faction that actually put their principles (twisted as they are) before party, there is no reasoning with them.

edited 24th Mar '17 1:31:26 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#179436: Mar 24th 2017 at 1:33:49 PM

I still can't get over the irony of the Tea Party and Koch Brothers literally being the sole reason the ACA is still the law of the land.

Could you imagine if the Public Option had passed seven years ago?

The bill would be completely untouchable.

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IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#179437: Mar 24th 2017 at 1:37:30 PM

I wonder if this is connected to why "Art of the deal" is now a global trending topic on Twitter.

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#179438: Mar 24th 2017 at 1:45:50 PM

Sad.

I wonder how hard some pundits will try to twist this into some sort of win for Trump.

Do not obey in advance.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#179439: Mar 24th 2017 at 1:46:28 PM

As a what not to go guidebook?

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#179440: Mar 24th 2017 at 1:50:22 PM

No matter if the Trump Administration neglects healthcare policy. Four years from now we can get it back.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#179441: Mar 24th 2017 at 1:52:55 PM

Another reason we need to win in 2020 is to get rid of Comey and put a Democrat in charge of the FBI in 2023.

Comey may bring Trump down, but what he did in October was straight up inexcusable.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#179442: Mar 24th 2017 at 1:55:08 PM

The GOP mantra now, according to Lindsay Graham, is now "Collapse and Replace". So they are going to neglect the ACA, let it implode, and then try and pin the blame on the Democrats/and get their own thing in.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#179443: Mar 24th 2017 at 1:57:07 PM

Dont worry about it. This was a crippling blow to Trump's ability to govern. Tax reform is likely dead as well. 2018 is looking better and better.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#179444: Mar 24th 2017 at 1:58:37 PM

A helpful article that debunks the "Obamacare is imploding" myth that is repeatedly being used by the GOP, including Paul Ryan at the press conference today.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#179445: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:03:49 PM

If it does implode, it'll probably be due to Price sabotaging it as much as possible.

Disgusted, but not surprised
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#179446: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:04:03 PM

Is it true that the free health care in Europe and Canada is bad, or is that another lie fabricated by neoconservatives to turn the common people against it so that they can exploit them?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#179447: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:05:17 PM

It's not correct, but a bit depends on what you consider as "good" or "bad".

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#179448: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:06:05 PM

[up][up] It's far from perfect, but it's...well, you should try asking a troper in the European Politics thread. Or wait for one of our Canadian tropers to show up.

But yeah, the arguments the GOP are using against it aren't exactly rooted in facts.

edited 24th Mar '17 2:07:37 PM by M84

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#179449: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:06:11 PM

And then there is the Russian Connection investigation. The House Investigation Committee is imploding due to shenanigans by its publican Rechair, Nunes.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#179450: Mar 24th 2017 at 2:12:39 PM

Canadian healthcare is far from perfect. Wait times are an issue (though people dying on wait lists is mostly a myth), access to specialists is uneven, funding the stuff is a major point of contention between the provinces and Ottawa, and don't get me started on what the First Nations have to put up with. And paying for it is going to be a challenge as the country ages.

But its lightyears ahead of even the ACA, let alone what you had beforehand.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

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