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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
A country musician who attended 45 Trump rallies feels that he has been betrayed by his candidate
The guy's son had died of a heroin overdose - apparently as part of the recent wave of "white despair" deaths - but his father became a textbook example of a Republican voting against his own personal interests.
I swear it's some macabre form of natural selection.
edited 24th Mar '17 12:37:32 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"It's dead, Jim
, they pulled Ryancare. Also, supposedly from this Article, even more Moderates and Teapublicans became no votes because of this charade!
edited 24th Mar '17 12:45:15 PM by DingoWalley1
So wait, I just want to be clear - the bill's dead, right? Not just delayed, but dead?
Oh God! Natural light!
Ryan Pulled the Bill at the last minute, right before the vote. Trump demanded a Vote today or else Obamacare would be the law of the land. According to the article, more Moderates and Teapublicans became 'no's' during the Debate over the Bill. For all intents and purposes, even if they come back later, this terrible version of Ryancare is dead.
edited 24th Mar '17 12:49:45 PM by DingoWalley1
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Alas no, sounds like it's merely delayed. But this shows that, at it is now, it's DOA, so they still have to change it/pull rank on Rs etc. to have a hope of getting it passed.
edited 24th Mar '17 12:50:24 PM by Medinoc
"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."They could always attempt to bring it, or a modified version, to the floor at some point down the road, but it would not be clear that it would gather enough votes to pass then, either. So it's effectively tabled.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Serious Question: Let's say, hypothetically, that the GOP actually came up with a workable replacement for the ACA. Not perfect, not what we'd want, but at minimum equal to the ACA, would you be willing to support it?
Obviously, there'll be details that might make or break individually, but that's why I have the "at minimum equal" clause in there.
Another serious question: how much could the GOP do to .. encourage what they call the Obamacare Death Spiral?
Also, is there any chance of a full on repeal? I gather no since the backlash of such an event is what motivated so many moderates, but I want to ask anyway.
edited 24th Mar '17 12:53:48 PM by sgamer82
@Kostya: Cowards? No, pushing a bill to the floor that you know will fail is just dumb. I mean, they are cowards, but not in this particular sense. Rather, they should not have rushed such a massively consequential bill through committee and to the floor in the first place. PPACA took months to hammer out before it went up for any votes. These jokers barely did even the most basic work to craft something that could reasonably succeed.
First, such a thing would be pointless — why not just keep PPACA in that case? Second, it would never make its way to a vote — the GOP would kill it in committee for failing to meet their standards for a repeal-and-replace. I'm not an asshole, though: if they should somehow come up with a solution that fixes the acknowledged problems with Obamacare and doesn't tear apart our social welfare system to do so, I'd consider supporting it.
Edited to add: Let's be clear, there is no "Obamacare death spiral". That's a right-wing fantasy. Rather, it is more likely the case that HHS under Tom Price will fail to enforce the rules and generally be neglectful towards the law's provisions, such that the private insurance market will lose confidence in the exchanges and withdraw. That's the most probable scenario, anyway.
edited 24th Mar '17 1:20:16 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
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Six years ago, I would have-right now, with the people holding Republican seats, I think it is literally impossible for a Republican majority to come up with one-maybe something drafted by a solid right instead of literal fascist/anarchist Republican and passed by a Democrat majority. Mutilation by committee followed by forcing it through over the objections of Democrats and Independents is all I expect.
edited 24th Mar '17 12:59:31 PM by sgamer82
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Sure as long as a) it covers as many people as possible and b) it's funded for. I might not be the biggest fan of Obamacare here, but it definitely met both of those requirements. Ryancare wouldn't.
Also, now that they don't have a replacement for Obamacare, at least not for the rest of this year, I think Trump will have to begrudgingly make sure Obamacare stays alive at least for this year. Trump can't accept Millions of people losing their insurance under his watch, even if that means he has to keep in place something he hates: He'll find a way to keep it alive.
Ryan's holding a Press Conference on the failure of his and Trump's Health Plan. I'll link it when it's live.
edited 24th Mar '17 1:02:38 PM by DingoWalley1
@sgamer82: Well, duh. Of course they hate it because it's an Obama thing, but the entire point of my argument is that they would never consider putting forward a plan of any sort that provides equal or better coverage than Obamacare because the Republican Party is ideologically committed to screwing over the poor at the expense of the rich.
Yes, they can neglect Obamacare such that it slowly withers, but that's not the same thing as a death spiral, and it would still earn them the hatred of their base, which very much likes having low-cost, quality health insurance.
edited 24th Mar '17 1:06:46 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

edited 24th Mar '17 12:32:03 PM by Rationalinsanity
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