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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#179376: Mar 24th 2017 at 11:32:07 AM

Give them the benefit of their principles, I guess

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#179377: Mar 24th 2017 at 11:34:11 AM

We'll certainly see. One thing's for certain: this vote's going to be an establishing moment no matter which way it goes.

Either this is the vote that shatters a major foundation of Trump's presidency, or it's the one that proves once and for all that Republican talk is cheap; they will always bow to their Trumpenfuhrer.

Trump surely knows it too. It's why he's pushing for the vote against Ryan's better judgment. He wants the Teapublicans to prove whether they actually have the spine they claim they do.

edited 24th Mar '17 11:35:21 AM by TobiasDrake

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Proglottid Since: Mar, 2010
#179378: Mar 24th 2017 at 11:43:24 AM

We might as well go in expecting this IS going to pass because if there is something we've learned is Turtle Rump only ever wins when we dont' expect him to

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#179379: Mar 24th 2017 at 11:45:59 AM

Knowing Trump, he'd probably just executive order a health care plan if Ryancare doesn't pass.

edited 24th Mar '17 11:46:27 AM by speedyboris

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#179380: Mar 24th 2017 at 11:47:10 AM

And then, Supreme Court to the rescue.

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#179381: Mar 24th 2017 at 11:47:12 AM

[up][up] He can't: That requires funding that is outside his jurisdiction. It has to go through Congress. He can't just make up Health Care laws, as much as he might want to.

edited 24th Mar '17 11:47:20 AM by DingoWalley1

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#179382: Mar 24th 2017 at 11:48:04 AM

Which would ultimately be worse anyway than if Ryancare was voted into law. Since then absolutely no blame could be deflected to Congress. It would be Trump and Trump alone who caused millions of Americans to lose their coverage and millions more unable to afford any.

edited 24th Mar '17 11:48:25 AM by danime91

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#179383: Mar 24th 2017 at 11:48:16 AM

[up]x5:That would get struck down — E Os can't override legislation willy nilly.

EDIT: An entire [nja] school, tho.

edited 24th Mar '17 11:48:56 AM by CrimsonZephyr

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#179384: Mar 24th 2017 at 11:50:23 AM

Don't forget that Tom Price is the HHS Secretary. Much of the ACA's goals were accomplished through administrative action, and, according to the AJC's sources, Price is actually competent at his job, i.e. using bureaucratic machinery to undo the ACA as much as executive power allows.

edited 24th Mar '17 11:50:52 AM by CenturyEye

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#179385: Mar 24th 2017 at 11:51:13 AM

I don't imagine Ryancare passing is going to do much good for their popularity anyways. Their "victory" will just be marked by people complaining about where their health care went, and they won't be able to point fingers at anyone because it's their bill, they were the ones droning on and on about it for years and now they have to deal with the consequences.

It's lose-lose for the Republicans, but obviously we don't want people getting fucked over with no insurance so it not passing is for the best.

edited 24th Mar '17 11:52:52 AM by Draghinazzo

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#179386: Mar 24th 2017 at 11:52:46 AM

I'm not hoping that the GOP's constituency gets hammered with the ramifications of AHCA passing, even if it would be karmically delicious. For one, there would be too much collateral damage; for another, it's not what America is supposed to be about.

We shouldn't cheer on bad bills passing into law just because it will show up how awful the people who wrote them are.

Edit: I wonder if Ryan thinks about how he badmouthed Trump every time he goes to him for instructions like an obedient puppy dog.

edited 24th Mar '17 11:56:40 AM by Fighteer

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#179387: Mar 24th 2017 at 11:59:42 AM

Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin joined Axios' Mike Allen this morning at the debut of his News Shapers event series to talk about his new role in the Trump Administration.

On AI supplanting human jobs: "it's not even on our radar screen.... 50-100 more years" away. "I'm not worried at all" about robots displacing humans in the near future, he said, adding: "In fact I'm optimistic."

Other big ticket items:

Trump:

Trump's stamina: "He's got perfect genes. He has incredible energy and he's unbelievably healthy."

Trump's diet: Mnuchin claimed Trump no longer eats KFC or Mc Donald's, as the White House food is "great."

The dollar bill: "I think we should look at putting President Trump on the thousand dollar bill."

Trump's views evolving: "He's the negotiator-in-chief... he wants big deals."

Trump's leadership style: "He has an open door. People are coming and going, and he thinks about something and calls somebody on the phone... this is not a formal, scheduled president."

Tax reform:

"Much simpler" than health care reform, saying the Trump administration will do it comprehensively. Not going to break it up into more passable pieces.

Corporate tax rate: Mnuchin declined to reiterate Trump's goal of a 15% corporate tax rate, vs. Ryan's 20% plan.

Carried interest loophole: Mnuchin said the loophole will be closed in our tax plan. But that's for hedge funds. No commitment on real estate, etc.

Border adjustment tax: It has certain aspects that are VAT-like, which much of the rest of the world uses.

The focus of tax cuts: Mnuchin said the Trump administration's focus is on tax cuts for the middle class, not upper.

The global economy:

Renegotiating trade deals: "So long as we can renegotiate [trade] deals that are good for us, we won't be protectionist. Otherwise we will."

The one bad thing: We don't know how to predict the next bad thing.

'''Trump's big objective: Keep people safe, per Mnuchin. Does Mnuchin worry about who is calling Trump? "No. Do you?"'''

https://www.axios.com/treasury-secretary-mnuchin-interviews-with-axios-live-updates-2327865447.html

edited 24th Mar '17 12:00:39 PM by MadSkillz

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#179388: Mar 24th 2017 at 12:04:20 PM

"it's not even on our radar screen.... 50-100 more years"

Really? Because I don't think would actually be the case bar a major SNAFU. And even without AI, isn't automation a more looming presence on the job market?

edited 24th Mar '17 12:05:27 PM by MorningStar1337

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#179390: Mar 24th 2017 at 12:06:32 PM

Jesus, that's a disgusting amount of sycophancy.

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#179391: Mar 24th 2017 at 12:07:57 PM

Ugh, I think I threw up a little in my mouth reading that.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#179392: Mar 24th 2017 at 12:09:03 PM

Well, yeah, Trump has to have some impressive stamina to be able to go golfing so often.

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#179393: Mar 24th 2017 at 12:10:35 PM

[up] Maybe that's why he pushed for the vote to go down today. He doesn't want anything cutting into his golfing time.

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#179394: Mar 24th 2017 at 12:10:37 PM

Wait, thousand dollar bill? Oh now I know that guys is full of it.

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#179395: Mar 24th 2017 at 12:14:17 PM

The dollar bill: "I think we should look at putting President Trump on the thousand dollar bill."
See, this might actually be a passable idea (if a waste of resources). Trump is probably the patron saint of the kind of idiot who would walk around with a thousand dollar bill, and the GOP will always have the perfect relic to worship at the alter of Mammon.
For everyone else, well there was no logical reason to wipe with dollar bills before that comes to pass...

And in all seriousness, a thousand dollar bill with Trump's face on it, might be the perfect Never Forget what led us here symbol.

[down]I was assuming—in a very silly imagine spot—that they'd make one.

edited 24th Mar '17 12:21:47 PM by CenturyEye

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#179396: Mar 24th 2017 at 12:19:44 PM

$1,000 bills aren't even in circulation. It would be perfect irony for his face to go on something that nobody ever gets to have.

edited 24th Mar '17 12:20:28 PM by Fighteer

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#179397: Mar 24th 2017 at 12:20:39 PM

Reusing a crack I made in a completely different context elsewhere on the forum a couple days ago, because it's just as applicable here:

Steve Mnuchin has his nose so far up Trump's ass that I'm half-convinced he's searching for smuggled cocaine.

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#179399: Mar 24th 2017 at 12:27:33 PM

I have a violin for him, but it can only be seen under a microscope.

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#179400: Mar 24th 2017 at 12:31:10 PM

[up] With a legion of microscopic violins as well?

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