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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#179276: Mar 23rd 2017 at 4:55:57 PM

@Tacitical: You seemed to have missed the context of this discussion. There were, in fact, 6 republicans elected to the Hawaiian house of representatives. This topic was prompted by the fact that one of those 6 just left the party because she couldn't stomach Trump.

edited 23rd Mar '17 4:56:58 PM by Gilphon

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#179277: Mar 23rd 2017 at 5:18:25 PM

I don't think the main center of the Democratic Party is actually pro-WWC because that's not who is control of their party nor their main constituents. Their party is based on the wealthy, minorities and the youth.

This is a pretty good article on how the Democratic Party actually abandoned the WWC.

I mean yeah they'll get a better deal with us

edited 23rd Mar '17 5:23:56 PM by MadSkillz

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#179278: Mar 23rd 2017 at 6:24:52 PM

President Trump is literally forcing a Vote on Ryancare tomorrow.

Here comes the do-or-die moment for this Bill, and Trump's presidency in general...

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#179279: Mar 23rd 2017 at 6:29:21 PM

From Madskillz article:

"...Rather than aggressively pursuing the firms that were engaged in systemic fraud, the Obama administration essentially applied a light tap on the wrist, all the while allowing the foreclosure crisis to persist with little resistance."

"...The president's aggressive push for the Trans-Pacific Partnership, an agreement that has far more to do with the rights of investors and massive corporations than the rights of workers, is yet another indication that the working class, in the view of his administration, ranks somewhere quite below corporate America. One can look also to Obamacare's failures, which have had more to do with the design of the program than with Republican obstructionism."

"It is true, of course, that the Republican Party is viciously anti-labor. But the Democratic Party has failed to mount anything that would qualify as effective resistance. Instead, Democrats have continued to support the working class in word, while often acting as their enemies in deed."

A bit on the extreme side, but there is an argument there.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#179280: Mar 23rd 2017 at 6:34:02 PM

I'd wonder about that article. It contends that the Dems could've done alot more, while not specifying what more or taking into account that their political fortunes were (in hindsight) collapsing. Even with a Dem majority in Congress, We ARE Struggling Together was in full effect. Not to say the Dems are saints (though the GOP makes about anyone look good), but it would've benefited them more to break down the Vox article and throw out something practical.

Anyway, anyone want to come with ideas for our apology to well, the world in general, but Mexico first American spring breakers chant 'Build that wall' while vacationing in Mexico

A Mexican newspaper blasted a group of young Americans visiting Cancun on spring break after witnesses said they broke into chants of “Build that wall” earlier this month and refused to stop, despite complaints.

Newlyweds Suly and Anaximandro Amable took to social media on March 6 after they said they attended a show on the “Pirate Ship” out of Puerto Juarez as part of their honeymoon, according to The Yucatan Times and social media posts.

Suly Amable wrote on Facebook that she and her husband were getting off the boat after the show when they heard the chants.

"In the face of such stupidity, one doesn't know how to immediately react," she wrote. "We were stunned. The whole thing seemed implausible."

Anaximandro Amable said the group who broke into the chant might have been intoxicated when they “began to sing the infamous ‘Build that wall’ chant louder and louder.”

The Yucatan Times reported that several Mexican tourists on the ship became annoyed and uncomfortable as the chants went on, but the Americans refused to stop chanting.

edited 23rd Mar '17 6:42:51 PM by CenturyEye

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#179281: Mar 23rd 2017 at 6:48:19 PM

I wouldn't have minded seeing these douchebags thrown off the ship into the water.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#179282: Mar 23rd 2017 at 6:53:53 PM

Apologies to our brothers and sisters in Mexico for that deplorable behavior.

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#179284: Mar 23rd 2017 at 6:59:28 PM

This is why abortion should be legal.

i'm tired, my friend
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#179286: Mar 23rd 2017 at 7:05:00 PM

Fortune's 'Greatest Leaders' list includes Samantha Bee, snubs Trump. Well deserved, I say.

Some politicians considered more important leaders than Cheeto Benito by Fortune are:

  • Tsai Ing-wen, president of Taiwan
  • Sen. John Mc Cain (R-Ariz.)
  • German Chancellor Angela Merkel
  • Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R)
  • Rep. John Delaney (D-Md.)
  • former Vice President Joe Biden
  • Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau
  • Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaite
  • London Mayor Sadiq Khan
  • H.R. Mc Master, Trump's national security adviser.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#179287: Mar 23rd 2017 at 7:06:23 PM

Nvm.

Well if Trump builds the wall, should Mexico simply no longer allow US those types of tourists by asking if they voted for Trump or are republics or simply kicking out douchebags like those as a completely reasonable answer to them coming to Mexico.

edited 23rd Mar '17 7:06:34 PM by AngelusNox

Inter arma enim silent leges
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#179288: Mar 23rd 2017 at 7:48:03 PM

Whoever becomes President in the future is going to have to send a fruit basket or something to whoever is the leader of Mexico at that time.

Disgusted, but not surprised
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#179289: Mar 23rd 2017 at 7:51:10 PM

They will have to "build some bridges" between the two countries. Literally.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#179290: Mar 23rd 2017 at 7:55:26 PM

[up] They'll also have to tear down some fences.

Or at least, that would be something I'd like for them to do.

EDIT: Trump to Republicans: Vote for Ryancare, or Obamacare stays. Let's see if that's enough to spook the House Republicans. That certainly won't scare the Senate Republicans in the slightest.

edited 23rd Mar '17 7:57:26 PM by DingoWalley1

FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare
#179291: Mar 23rd 2017 at 7:58:20 PM

Re: the NPR article about increasing mortality rates among white people.

The underlying motive behind all those the smallest violin comments basically comes down to a general message going: "Why is that when white people suffer, they get pitied and their plight is called 'despair', 'economic anxiety', or 'concern', but when other ethnic groups must live amongst gerrymandering, racial profiling, sexism, and voter suppression, it's quietly assumed that all is normal as should be."

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#179292: Mar 23rd 2017 at 8:02:10 PM

[up] Reminds me of the contrast between the ways the heroin epidemic and the earlier crack epidemic were handled. Eric Holder bluntly stated it was because the heroin epidemic was affecting white people too.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#179293: Mar 23rd 2017 at 8:06:42 PM

If a sane president ever follows Trump, at this rate he or she will be spending most of their foriegn capital on an apology tour covering every continent but Antarctica.

You know, assuming that the Russians and Chinese haven't overrun their respective neighborhoods.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#179294: Mar 23rd 2017 at 8:21:51 PM

[up] Ugh, I am not looking forward to those two engaging in a turf war.

Disgusted, but not surprised
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#179295: Mar 23rd 2017 at 8:26:32 PM

[up]x5 NEW PRESIDENT: Mr.Trump, TEAR DOWN THIS FENCE!

That's gonna make my day.tongue

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#179296: Mar 23rd 2017 at 8:36:25 PM

@ Fighteer

I continue to find it amusing how militantly Internet communities oppose companies having access to store and trade users' browsing history. There are so many slippery slope fallacy arguments being made that I legitimately cannot keep track of them.

Certainly, there is merit to an argument in favor of general consumer privacy, but the obvious solution: a universal online ID system that encrypts personal information and releases it only to entities authorized by the user, is dismissed out of hand. Instead, people seem to prefer an anarchistic view of the Internet where security is basically a shark pit that you jump into at your peril.

And this from the same people who scoff at the notion of a libertarian society in which everybody is exclusively responsible for their self-defense and vigilantism is the primary method of administering justice.

The Internet is not the Wild West anymore, no matter how the online hipsters keep yearning for the good ol' days. The enemy is not corporations and governments, but the outlaws who steal data, forge identities, and hold web-based companies ransom. The best way to ensure security is to force rigorous identity-tracking at the hardware level, preventing anyone from forging credentials without getting booted.

Pick one: control over your identity, or freedom from data collection.

Would downloading media from the Internet be counted?

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#179297: Mar 23rd 2017 at 8:54:09 PM

Counted for what? Ideally, any transaction you make on the Internet, be it downloading a file or buying a product, would either be anonymous (no personal information is exchanged) or private (any personal information exchanged is maintained only for the scope of the transaction and may not be used for any other purpose without your express authorization). I'd like to stress that we declared this off-topic, so I don't want to get into the gritty details here.

note 

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#179298: Mar 23rd 2017 at 9:57:21 PM

Regarding Trump's shot at Ryancare, losing this fight will not be "the make-or-break moment" for Trump's Presidency. Remember that, 1, nobody expects Donald Trump to keep his promises, and 2, the orangutan may not be the master dealmaker he pretends to be, but he does understand the basic principles of contract negotiations, and one of the first rules one learns in that business is "Know When To Walk Away From The Table."

Donald Trump has realized that repeal-and-replace is falling apart. Making his threat lets him throw the rest of his party under the bus when it inevitably collapses, and Obamacare surviving doesn't actually hurt Trump when he ultimately likes the idea of (white people having) affordable insurance.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#179299: Mar 23rd 2017 at 10:00:05 PM

[up] At this point, I will be satisfied with the AHCA not being a thing. Regardless of whoever wins or loses politically, it's a horribly designed bill. If it passes, millions of Americans will be screwed.

If this ends with Trump and/or the GOP getting egg on their faces? So much the better.

edited 23rd Mar '17 10:00:40 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#179300: Mar 23rd 2017 at 10:40:20 PM

I mean, consider the sizeable dip Trump's approval ratings took after AHCA was announced, I think it matters quite a bit- it seems people did in fact, expect him to keep his promises, and his reputation as a 'master dealmaker' makes it seem even worse; 'how will he manage to make good deals with other country if he can't even make a good deal with his own party,' they'll say. 'What kind of master dealmaker makes rushes into a complicated issue, barely gives it any time for discussion, and then walks away from the table when they don't accept the first offer?'

Remember that for lots of his supporters, what matters is that the president must look strong at all times. Putting his weight behind a mess of a bill that half of his own party doesn't like, and it ends up failing, is not him looking strong.

edited 23rd Mar '17 10:42:14 PM by Gilphon


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