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Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#178951: Mar 22nd 2017 at 1:36:32 AM

The funny thing is that the NRA consistently gives Bernie and other relativly pro-gun left wingers extremely low marks (Bernie never ranked above C- and usually got an F) while right-wingers with similar or identical voting records on gun issues got high marks consistently.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#178952: Mar 22nd 2017 at 1:36:36 AM

[up][up] I don't think Counterpunch is really a source we want to cite here.

edited 22nd Mar '17 1:36:55 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#178953: Mar 22nd 2017 at 1:38:18 AM

[up] Yeah, I wasn't comfortable about that either, which is why I didn't actually provide a link.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#178954: Mar 22nd 2017 at 1:42:36 AM

I don't know what a technofascist is, but I'm imagining robot hitler.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#178955: Mar 22nd 2017 at 1:44:08 AM

[up][up] Ah, okay.

If I recall, they have a history of anti-Semitism, yes? Part of me wonders if such accusations are an attempt of sorts to paint Sanders as "militant Zionist", or whatever they call their dogwhistles.

edited 22nd Mar '17 1:44:21 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#178956: Mar 22nd 2017 at 1:44:44 AM

[up][up] Same here.

[up] It's almost remarkable how anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry transcend the left-right spectrum of politics.

edited 22nd Mar '17 1:46:19 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#178957: Mar 22nd 2017 at 1:49:32 AM

To be fair, Vermont actually has a low gun-murder rate and high gun ownership so I think it's okay to be pro-gun in a state like that.

It's just in a national election where it can feel compromising. It always felt like that elephant in the room that Bernie didn't want to talk about too much.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#178958: Mar 22nd 2017 at 1:58:01 AM

[up][up] From what I can tell, it's an easy form of bigotry to work into your politics, as there are stereotypes associated with groups that both sides hate - bankers and war hawks for the Left, and Hollywood for the Right.

Again we see the importance of intersectionality in progressivism. I'm still shocked that a lot of people are apparently willing to leave anti-Semitism off of their list of bigotries to fight against.

edited 22nd Mar '17 2:00:56 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#178959: Mar 22nd 2017 at 2:06:29 AM

I mean when you look at Hollywood and how it's supposed to be this bastion of liberalness and their rhetoric and then compare that with their movies and how they make decisions, they start looking hypocritical.

Same with Silicon Valley which I've read is filled with the alt-right despite the appearances they put on.

Malcolm X used to always talk about how the white liberal(fox) is actually more dangerous than the white conservative(wolf) because the former is trying to make you trust them and lull you to sleep before they eat you alive while the latter makes it clear they want to eat you. Not saying that I agree with him but that was his line of thinking.

math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#178960: Mar 22nd 2017 at 2:07:11 AM

Probably for the same reason a lot of people believe the Civil Rights Movement solved racism forever.

Once somewhere between 6 and 12 million people of your faith were systematically worked to death or put to death in camps, suddenly people can't be jerks to you on the basis of your faith. After all, you have a state now!

/s

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#178961: Mar 22nd 2017 at 2:09:26 AM

[up][up] A better analogy might involve an animal that somehow manages to trick itself into thinking that it actually really likes and respects its prey and wants to help it...before messily devouring it.

Trouble is, I can't really think of any animals who are capable of that sort of self-delusion, aside from humans.

edited 22nd Mar '17 2:09:57 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#178962: Mar 22nd 2017 at 2:10:46 AM

Phil Ochs was a social democrat who also felt that many white liberals were hypocritical and full of hot air:

A different time, yeah, but I think that's present today in a different form.

edited 22nd Mar '17 2:19:10 AM by MadSkillz

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#178963: Mar 22nd 2017 at 2:16:31 AM

A better analogy might involve an animal that somehow manages to trick itself into thinking that it actually really likes and respects its prey and wants to help it...before messily devouring it.Trouble is, I can't really think of any animals who are capable of that sort of self-delusion, aside from humans.

I mean it's different today since you can't be as forthcoming about racism as you could back then. The Republican Party today are now more like wolves trying out fox-like tactics but can't help from trying to devour you the second you put them in power.

Although Trump ran his campaign more like this.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#178964: Mar 22nd 2017 at 2:20:58 AM

True enough, I suppose.

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IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#178965: Mar 22nd 2017 at 3:43:34 AM

Taking a thing from a few pages ago:

That and the inherent anti-elitism which all too often is corrupted into anti-intellectualism.

I think you have it flipped.

@Populism: I wish to extend anyone who believes it to be a good idea an invitation to come live in any South American country. Venezuela should be perfect for this, but Argentina or Brazil could work depending on how things go in these few years.

EDIT: oh, and Mad Skillz, since you said the primaries should favor the winners of swing states, here's a map of who won each state. Green's Bernie, gold's Hillary.

edited 22nd Mar '17 3:47:46 AM by IFwanderer

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#178966: Mar 22nd 2017 at 4:58:12 AM

So the FBI did in fact wiretap Trump Tower. But not because Obama told them to.

But because of suspected Russian Mafia money laundering in 2013

Our sovereignty is fucking compromised lol

edited 22nd Mar '17 4:58:45 AM by NoName999

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use political terms to describe, not insult
#178967: Mar 22nd 2017 at 5:04:19 AM

[Daily Kos] New {Google Consumer Survey} Poll Finds Democrat Rob Quist Ahead In Montana Congressional Race. Interesting.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
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#178969: Mar 22nd 2017 at 6:38:07 AM

[up] Please do not post external links without summarizing their content.

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#178970: Mar 22nd 2017 at 6:56:05 AM

The Russian mob was operating out of Trump Tower?

How many sketchy connections to Russia does the guy need before it warrants a full investigation? This is getting ridiculous.

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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#178971: Mar 22nd 2017 at 7:00:54 AM

"Doesn't matter. Like I've said before, it doesn't matter what you put on your platform if you're not seen as trustworthy and you know Bernie may have pulled her to the left but their policies weren't identical. And their rhetoric was different . Hillary didn't really rail against companies, she didn't talk crap about free trade agreements, she wasn't offering universal education or the federal legalization of marijuana as far as I know. She wasn't a populist."

Populism can die in a fire. The people are a mass of slavering morons who cannot be directly catered to without inviting disaster. What we needed was intelligent, technocratic leadership, not rabble-rousing. Honestly, if a person needs to be lied to and promised federal marijuana legalization in a country where the political leadership will never see it happen, free education in a system where universities are more interested in securing fat contracts for football coaches, and the scrapping of trade agreements that are the only thing giving American consumers the bulk of their purchasing power, all so that they don't vote in a complete moron, they may as well just not vote; they're killing good government.

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#178972: Mar 22nd 2017 at 7:07:43 AM

[up] Put in a slightly less incendiary manner (hint, hint), Quality by Popular Vote has almost never given us good policy. Most positive social and political changes in history have been pushed through against the will of the majority, who only discovered they liked it after the fact.

edited 22nd Mar '17 7:26:37 AM by Fighteer

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CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#178973: Mar 22nd 2017 at 7:14:53 AM

[up][up][up]The name Teflon Don might be the only thing he ever earned. When you're that much of a [REDACTED], expectations tend to fall. The news story that breaks him among supporters may be when Breaking News: We caught Trump on tape being a decent human being!

But on all things Moscow-ward Trump ex-aide Paul Manafort 'offered to help Putin'

US President Donald Trump's one-time campaign chairman secretly worked for a Russian billionaire to assist President Vladimir Putin, the Associated Press (AP) news agency reports.

Paul Manafort is said to have proposed a strategy to nullify anti-Russian opposition across former Soviet republics a decade ago.

AP says documents and interviews support its claims about Mr Manafort.

Mr Manafort has insisted that he never worked for Russian interests.

He resigned after AP revealed that he had co-ordinated a secret Washington lobbying operation on behalf of Ukraine's ruling pro-Russian political party until 2014.

Newly obtained business records link Mr Manafort more directly to Mr Putin's interests in the region, AP says.

Mr Manafort is said to have pitched the plans to aluminium magnate Oleg Deripaska, a close ally of President Putin.

In a statement to AP, Mr Manafort confirmed that he had worked for Mr Deripaska in several countries but insisted the work was being unfairly cast as "inappropriate or nefarious" as part of a "smear campaign".

"I worked with Oleg Deripaska almost a decade ago representing him on business and personal matters in countries where he had investments," Mr Manafort said in the statement.

"My work for Mr Deripaska did not involve representing Russian political interests.''

A spokesman for Mr Deripaska in Moscow declined to answer questions from AP.

You know what they say. All roads lead to Siberia.

edited 22nd Mar '17 7:18:30 AM by CenturyEye

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#178974: Mar 22nd 2017 at 7:24:33 AM

So I don't know what the rules (if any,) here are about posting petitions, and I'm not expecting anyone to sign it, but this got me so fucking pissed that I had to post it here. Apparently, the Tibet Women's Soccer Team has been denied access to the US for the Dallas Cup tournament on account of them having 'no good reason' to be there. And I'm pretty sure Tibet isn't even included in the damn travel ban. Is this going to be our policy going forward? Blocking everyone from every foreign country just because we can? (And did I really have to ask?tongue)

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#178975: Mar 22nd 2017 at 7:24:44 AM

God I miss the Soviet Union. Russia becoming capitalist and open to the international community destroyed us. Now we're surrounded by traitorous filth, and there's nothing we can do about it.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."

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